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Daniel Butzu wrote: |
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> On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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>> For the record: I'd still like drobbins involved, but I don't think his |
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>> terms were at all reasonable, and the way he went about it was |
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>> reprehensible imo. It was designed to cause the furore it did, and only |
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>> makes me give credence to the argument that much of the negative press on |
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>> distrowatch has come from an associate of his. It was a totally political |
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>> move, and not at all motivated by concern for Gentoo afaic. If he cared |
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>> that much, he'd have approached Mr Goodyear privately or on the nfp list |
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>> if he wanted to be "open". Not put everyone through all this stress. |
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> Maybe. However, since it caused the furore it did it seems that a lot |
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> of users were unsatisfied. |
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>> Users used to feel just as excluded when drobbins was in charge |
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There appears to be some myth going round that everything was sweetness and |
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light back in those days; it's not true, and further the distro was an |
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absolute pig to maintain: |
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<long time user> "I used Gentoo when it was version 0.7, which was omg |
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broken. Packages were added to portage and this would be stable, that would |
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not compile at all. Then you had to re-sync to compile it, so in a day, you |
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would need to re-sync portage 3 or 4 times to get everything to compile. :P |
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..Even still back in the 1.4 days, people really had no idea what to do." |
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> You can't stir up something when there is nothing to stir up. |
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Actually I think this whole drama shows that you can, or at least you can |
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draw attention to one thing (lack of paperwork) and pretend it means |
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something else (Gentoo is dying! Again!) People like drama. |
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> So maybe we should focus more on our problems today, since we were unable |
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> of doing it yesterday. |
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Er yeah, maybe you'd like to discuss those then? That was what the rest of |
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my mail was about. |
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>> I've openly stated that I think user involvement and conduct on the dev |
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>> m-l are the biggest problems I see. |
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As in, how do we constructively change those? Or do you believe that can |
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only be done by drobbins taking exclusive ownership of everyone's code? |
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