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I am circumventing an unjustified, no policy covered 1 year mailing |
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list ban. I will make this one post and unsubscribe. It is long. |
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I want to clear up the air about the history of the Gentoo Foundation |
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and GLEP 39 with FACTS! This is the factual order of creation. |
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1. Gentoo Technologies, Inc came first ( New Mexico # 2055978 ) |
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2. Gentoo Technologies was converted into Gentoo Foundation |
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(New Mexico # 2463313) |
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3. Then AFTER the Gentoo Foundation was created, GLEP 39 came about |
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This is very important, as GLEP 39 was an afterthought. It was not part |
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of the Foundation formation, nor that model. GLEP 39 did not address |
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all issues, or provide a complete model for the organization as a whole. |
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The result has been a Foundation with a questionable role. Infra has |
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become its own top level entity at times. With council being off on its |
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own with no connection to other two. |
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GLEP 39 was a partial solution to the problem of replacing Daniel |
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Robbins, who ran Gentoo Technologies Inc. The Councils limited role |
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never fully replaced all roles Daniel fulfilled. It split roles over to |
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Foundation, Infra, and Council, and created a total mess. |
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Is it of any surprise this mess remains years later? Yet people hold up |
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GLEP 39 like its been a good thing for Gentoo. Its been part of |
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Gentoo's destruction!!! Just look who wrote GLEP 39.... |
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Ask yourself the following. |
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Who are the GLEP 39 authors? |
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Were they good or bad for Gentoo? |
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How did they leave things? |
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Is Gentoo better off after them? |
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Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@g.o> |
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He was a trustee I replaced. He left the foundation in a complete mess |
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which remains to this day. He moved on long ago, and left a mess... |
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Despite being a Trustee, nothing in GLEP 39 about foundation or its |
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role. Which shows he was not thinking about the entire project as whole. |
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Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@g.o> |
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Removed from Gentoo, developer status revoked... Look at bugs from 2006 |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&f0=OP&f1=OP&f2=alias&f3=short_desc&f4=CP&f5=CP&j1=OR&list_id=3904228&o2=substring&o3=substring&query_format=advanced&v2=ciaran&v3=ciaran |
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The fact both have moved on, and one was removed. Neither left anything |
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good, or did anything good really for the long term health of the |
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project or developer community. Yet others want to stand by their ideas |
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and work on GLEP 39. That should be scrapped ASAP, as both of them... |
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GLEP 39 came about in 2006. |
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Developer count seems to have peaked out around |
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http://www.seemantk.com/viz/gentoo/galaxy/ |
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Popularity fell off around then. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux#Popularity |
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Many factors in both, but GLEP 39 did nothing to help. GLEP 39 has NOT |
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made anything better and if anything continues to make things worse. |
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Anyone standing by or pointing to GLEP 39 falls under that structure. |
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Likely council members or the like past or present. You rarely if ever |
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see others bringing up or standing by GLEP 39... Its a junk GLEP!!! |
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In standing by GLEP 39, your also standing by the authors. That |
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they had good ideas, and are good for Gentoo. That they left Gentoo |
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better than they found it. Sadly factually that is not the case for |
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either. Yet others want to stand by this failed work. Ignoring who |
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authored this document, and their impact, and current standings. |
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People also ignore the FACT, the Foundation came first. GLEP 39 came |
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after. What I am not clear on, is how GLEP 39 came to be. Did all |
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developers vote? Or was it approved by some GLEP team. Most GLEPs are |
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not brought to a general vote, so a select few get to approve or |
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disapprove such. Either way GLEP 39 came AFTER the foundation and left |
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gaping holes. If GLEP 39 was voted or not would be interesting to know. |
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IMHO it is insane to continue to stand by this horrible GLEP 39. It has |
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ruined Gentoo IMHO. GLEP 4 was MUCH better. It is even more insane to |
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discard the Foundation for GLEP 39, given its incomplete nature. To |
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many things as part of the organization GLEP 39 fails to address, or |
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even come close to addressing. The authors never understood how to |
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properly organize the project after Daniel Robbins left. |
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This is the reason why the project is still in disarray years later. |
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People debating roles of council, foundation, infra, etc. That is clear |
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proof of the mess, all a result of GLEP 39 being a partial effort with |
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gaping holes. Those things should have been covered by GLEP 39. |
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GLEP 39 is likely why Gentoo is plagued with unique problems and no |
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matter who is in council, or developers. Those problems remain and |
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continue. Gentoo will continue to have these issues as long as GLEP 39 |
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remains and others stand by it.... It is a failed incomplete model... |
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Please do your homework on GLEP 39... Starting with who wrote |
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it... Look who you are following. Others need to stop teaching the |
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misguided ways that others put forward. Such as.... |
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Gentoo's Reform and Future (Petteri Räty, Jorge Manuel B. S. 2011 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3vkUBQkyg |
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osc12: Robin H. Johnson Gentoo Infra Team: State of Gentoo |
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Infrastructure 2012 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptCRCcKMJo |
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LinuxDays 2016 - Gentoo Foundation, background and status report - |
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Robin Johnson 2016 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bmXVbxMgE |
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When I see other say things like |
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"how I was taught "Gentoo works" for my quizzes sometime around 2010" |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/251361b7eee8ed4e20508ea35ae97df4 |
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People need to understand, others have been misleading misguiding them |
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for a very long time. They were TAUGHT WRONG!!! I tried to correct this |
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long ago. I can see the impact of others spreading their ideas and |
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winning, while Gentoo is losing. Thus it does not surprise me where |
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things are at, or that newer developers know no difference. They simply |
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pass on and continue to spread the incorrect things they were taught. |
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No matter the impact on the project. they cannot see past what they are |
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taught or think for themselves.... |
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This is EXACTLY why in one of my attempts to return in 2011, it took 2 |
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hours to make it to the 10th question on the 1st question. I was |
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literally disagreeing with the teaching. A recruiter was arguing and |
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debating with a past Trustee... They were wrong... They still are |
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wrong, and others still are taught wrong.... |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/135927#c27 |
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They hid the log, which if public. You would see me trying to correct |
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how Recruiting was teaching others in 2011... There is a reason why |
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they wanted it private, and it was not giving out quiz answers. Those |
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first 10 questions are minor. 1-7 are all organization and structure |
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4. What is the purpose of the Gentoo Council? |
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5. What is the Gentoo Foundation? How does one apply for membership and |
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who are eligible? |
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https://projects.gentoo.org/comrel/recruiters/quizzes/developer-quiz.txt |
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Can you see based on my comments thus far, why I would have VERY |
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different answers to those questions than what recruiters want to hear. |
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I know what Gentoo and the Gentoo Foundation was intended to be, not |
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what it has become. Mostly via the horrible GLEP 39, and the people |
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behind that GLEP.... I will not tell a recruiter what they want to hear |
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when they were miss-taught. Just sad recruiters would not learn from |
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past Trustees... Rather argue with them and continue teaching others |
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the wrong stuff... |
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Yet others still stand by GLEP 39, like it is good, has been good for |
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Gentoo, etc. It needs to go, ASAP. GLEP 39's impact, just like that of |
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its authors have not been good for Gentoo. But do not take my word. Go |
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research the authors and form your own opinion. |
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Look at the issues raised in GLEP 39. Are any of those issues resolved? |
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https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0039.html#problems-with-the-existing-system |
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What about this bit of GLEP 39, which I want everyone to ask |
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themselves, and answer.... |
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"So, does this proposal solve any of the previously-mentioned problems?" |
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https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0039.html#rationale |
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IMHO GLEP 39 creates more problems than it solves, and it does not |
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solve or address a majority of the issues it was intended to resolve. |
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Thus IMHO GLEP 39 is garbage and should be scrapped. Concepts may carry |
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over to something new, but it should not be held up, stood by, kept in |
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place of Foundation, etc. Either way GLEP 39 needs to go, and maybe |
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anyone standing by that horrendous and destructive GLEP.... |
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GLEP 39 did not come first, but LAST..... It should be first to go.... |
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Unsubscribing to respect the ridiculous 1yr ban for what? With option |
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to extend at end of 1yr. Despite no policy covering such term, etc. |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/640160 |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |