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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:50:29
Message-Id: 4E3BF4EC.2010009@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years by Rich Freeman
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4 On 08/05/2011 02:35 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
5 > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
6 > wrote:
7 >> How much Gentoo differs from 2007?
8 >
9 > I think this is the wrong question - simply being different means
10 > nothing. Gnome 3 is different, nobody will argue with that.
11 >
12 > In what way should we more be different from what we were in 2007
13 > than we are today?
14 >
15 > Still, I'd say that our mailing lists are less flame-prone,
16 The last flame was in May with all the ChangeLog mess. Not that far away.
17
18 our init
19 > system is more modern, we now have regularly-updated install media,
20 > and we have more cooperation with alternate configurations (other
21 > PMs, prefix, etc).
22 Good point except that these are accomplishes of sub-projects ( openrc,
23 releng, pms and prefix ) and have nothing to do with how Gentoo is
24 governed. It wouldn't make any difference if Gentoo had a single leader
25 or a Council with 20 members. Those project would have still
26 accomplished their goals. What about global project issues though? ( see
27 below )
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29 Gentoo as a governance model is still the same, meaning it is far too
30 complex, too much time is consumed on mailing lists leading to dead
31 ends, and global project directions or improvements are introduced
32 slowly. Some global project issues that should have been resolved years
33 ago are
34
35 * slacking arches
36 * dead projects with hundreds of open bugs
37 * singed manifests etc
38
39 I vividly remember that the previous council tried to resolve the
40 slacking arches issue. Of course there was no decision. So if we try to
41 bring this again to the agenda, we need to recycle the whole discussion
42 that was done then, get our MLs busy for a couple of weeks, and
43 hopefully we will have a solution by January 2012.
44
45 I am sorry, but this is not what I call "flexible governance model"
46
47 - --
48 Regards,
49 Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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