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On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:30 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. |
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<wltjr@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 14:12 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: |
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>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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>> > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: |
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>> >> The problem here is not if anyone wants an election or not. Personally, |
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>> >> I don't want to vote for the council now. |
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>> > Then don't! Isn't the whole point of a democracy to allow the will of those |
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>> > who are represented to triumph? If that will is to not hold an election, |
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>> > wouldn't it be undemocratic to ignore it? |
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>> So minimally we would require a vote to determine 'the will of the |
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>> represented'. Note that this thread is insufficient to determine that |
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>> (there are plenty of devs not participating in this thread). |
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> What percentage of the developer base, and/or community is required to |
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> call about a global vote for Gentoo? |
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This is not documented anywhere as far as I can tell. The 'glep' just |
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says we have to hold an election. I have already spoken to a few of |
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the previous officials to see if they are interested in running a |
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council election. |
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It has been argued that the Council controls Gentoo; and for the |
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majority of cases I believe this is true. The question benig do we |
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adhere to the existing policy or do we do something else. |
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The problem is basically that besides the council there is no other |
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body that has power (according to stated policy). Befroe the council |
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Gentoo had 'the developers' and before 'the developers' Gentoo had TLP |
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Managers. |
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I would prefer that 'the developers' in this case take initiative to |
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hold a new election. In the old republic sense 'the developers' |
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essentially realize that they will not agree on everything and thus |
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delegate their power and authority to a smaller group of people |
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(council) until such time as 'the developers' deem such a body unfit |
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to rule. Bonus for us, there is a clause in the policy that states a |
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specific even where this is the case (said 50% attendance clause). |
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It is my understanding that the council continues to be the council |
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while 'the developers' hold an election for council positions. The |
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only alternative to a whole election is unseating the members that did |
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not attend; this is explicitly forbidden by the 50% attendance clause. |
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> Also where is there any policy requiring anything to be voted on? In |
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> this case, the vote to decide if we should or should not elect a new |
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> council. Enforce GLEP 39 clause/rule/policy or not. A vote would be more |
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> out of respect, and democracy. Than out of policy or requirement. |
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There isn't one; I didn't mean to imply that we should vote on whether |
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we should hold an election or not. |
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My comment was meant to imply that the number of folks involved in |
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this thread is a meaningless statistic regarding what developers |
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actually think regarding this issue. |
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> William L. Thomson Jr. |
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> amd64/Java/Trustees |
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> Gentoo Foundation |
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I've begun poking the relevant election officials to see if they are |
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willing to participate in an election in the upcoming weeks. |
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-Alec |
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