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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council?
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:32:56
Message-Id: 4E47B22D.1060005@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? by Fabian Groffen
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On 08/14/2011 12:27 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 14-08-2011 12:12:32 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: >> Quite a few of you know that Council acts as a court in case a >> developer has unresolved disputes with Devrel or when he is not >> happy with a Devrel's decision. The problem is that having the same >> people in the Council and in Devrel makes no sense since the same >> people will vote twice on that matter. A developer who wants to >> appeal to Council, seeks a review of his case and a fresh voting >> from new people. However, having devrel members, which are already >> biased based on the previous decision, makes the "Council's court >> role" a moot role :) > > In a way, yes you're right. However, escalations to Council should > be rare. Council members were elected by dev community, so > apparently people didn't bother about them being to do so. I think it > would be elegant when DevRel members in the Council would abstain > from a vote, but if that makes a small remaining group of voters...
Yes it is very rare but still there is a possibility to happen, and in this case, it makes no sense having the same people vote twice on the same issue.
> > Perhaps it would be better when DevRel members in the Council would > be replaced by (their) proxies for such vote?
In my mind, a proxy= a guy who thinks the same way I do, so it makes no difference whether the Council member or the proxy votes. Or should random people
> picked from the dev community and asked if they want to cast a vote?
This is a bit risky, people may be biased ( I really like this dev || I really hate this dude ) and again the voting may not be just.
> > Perhaps the Council should be released from this task at all, and > instead should be given the job to assemble a jury out of the dev > community (with non-involvement in DevRel) that is to examine the > case, and make a final verdict that the Council will accept/act > upon. >
Same problem as before. You need to make sure that the jury will not be biased. This introduces another layer of bureaucracy. We have enough of them already - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOR7ItAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCtWkQAJfmQ/THUDDEO34bkriLEQn2 gC6Z4MTDKgBGFk8pJg2jxywNrbvVu4ObLtNmcLkBYCyu4LOE4t1Dy85iqqY4CSbL LJ/uz+sB47/pL94Skp2EK2ewSg/IvemZdKI1w1miASD6omVa5TW69jIdmM/YLGS5 PzrEpXmTSQ+Es6HP4lD1pySWAD2Z27jtn7dOElTpSpCSzvl9hx6ExuwZto4AZEOk TPNGmIBE3k7qvqeruzy+DmgFH8sCYvncnhsaHPH4FN244DLQxXHzHyx4Zkfdn4AC nTxRdNtFBPNztl7LmieU36fkX89P5RMevH/uTUOxkAUjdGL6avXafDTYWPdDvb7h siWFYoACXoEYXSnJehSJfnko8VArHeXlYLJLZoAKsFsBHTUUOW2vzumSir9mcgVw ZltSW23idP25HHH1T1I8WJvrU68SunNXeLR++dMgKDL/H/spFHsfc91ihiLwQrqG 57b7mgC3TWSPYc9M14qGiNVYAL7I0vo1gF+2u0j5k/bLT3av/H40EPoal/PT5I0c LJYna10nBKcBsPZ0lFf4ZDoPa5VM1eEOFyvHvISqou6gVd5V3fQeLfo06+G+j0S9 om4wBDZFDRG3eOOScbj8Xi/4gLqYY+dl/xcweUkq0JsX90fa7Mt8PmwMUMMc21tt tKdwt2b7wxa4cW3To8m7 =+poO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>