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On Thursday, December 1, 2016 7:15:38 AM EST William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:46:14 AM EST Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > Did you ever estimate how much harm to actual Gentoo development do |
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> > never-ending mailing list threads that bring no point whatsoever except |
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> > for provoking a lot of developers to reply, who would otherwise be |
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> > doing technical work on Gentoo? |
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> Given the fact Gentoo mailing lists go inactive for periods of time. Given |
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> the fact that lots of things have issues no one notices. You are assuming |
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> Gentoo is much more popular that it is. |
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So this BS logic is likely part of that which went into moderating me long ago |
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on -nfp. You can see any posts there are 100% public and any CoC violations at |
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best were very minor. |
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Lets take Michał Górny about mailing list activity and stats. Once I left the |
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-nfp list, it died as it did before. It is of no surprise to me many things |
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have not changed or happened since then. |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/ |
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Years of inactivity with very few posts. The most active period ~2008 when I |
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was a Trustee. Things were happening like reinstating the foundation, public |
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review of by laws which were later adopted, and a bank account was obtained. |
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Thus list activity directly reflected activity in the foundation. No list |
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activity, nothing much going on in foundation and less with the community. |
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Hardly a sign of work being done, or mailing list activity causing work to not |
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be done. |
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Had I not been driven away the -nfp list and community would likely still be |
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active. But I was the problem. I went away and things died in my absence. it |
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really is not a good argument and facts do not support that. Even less work |
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was done in my absence despite list activity being minimal. |
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Now lets take a look at Project, very few posts before I showed up in |
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November. I was NOT the only one posting or commenting. Which again shows the |
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community coming alive and communicating. |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/ |
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I am also quite shocked at how little activity is taking place on -dev mailing |
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list. Arguable the most important and popular list of any. But the numbers do |
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not seem as off there, It does seem like months in the thousands or close are |
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lesser in recent years. But over all stats seem to vary heavily historically. |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/ |
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We could go further and compare monthly list activity to monthly commit |
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activity. I think this is stupid. Conversation is only good. The only people |
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seeking to prevent conversation are those trying to preserve or keep the |
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status quo. |
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That the same people are talking about things being confidential and wanting to |
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reduce mailing list activity is a bit concerning. |
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If an optional mailing list for a volunteer project distracts you from doing |
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your work. That to me seems like a personal issue than anything to do with a |
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list being over active. Lists should be active, it is a sign of an active |
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community. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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