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On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o> wrote: |
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> in developer relation bugs, the accused should also be allowed to recuse |
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> such double members; as |
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> "i'm not saying this as devrel member but..." |
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> "i'm not saying this as council member but..." |
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> is constantly being used as weapon by selected people, making the whole |
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> process of devrel unfair when other members get semi ignored |
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I don't think the accused should have any such rights. I do think |
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they (or their accusers) should have a right to a speedy appeal after |
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any disciplinary actions are imposed or denied. Then whatever the |
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decision of the Council is, the will of the Gentoo Developer Community |
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has been done. That's why we elect them. |
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Now, if people are somehow being denied an appeal then that is a |
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different matter. |
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Is your concern that non-council members of devrel feel like they have |
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less say, since the decision can be appealed to council and so they're |
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forced to more-or-less go along with what they feel the council will |
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want? If so, then I'd say the system is working as intended. When a |
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district judge is making a ruling, the first thing he does is sees |
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what higher courts have ruled in the past. It is a waste of |
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everybody's time for a judge to come up with a ruling that he knows |
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will be reversed. The only reason we have lower courts is that it |
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doesn't scale well to have every dispute heard by the highest court of |
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the land. It is much the same with the Council. If the Council |
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thinks that a certain devrel stance will improve the distro, then it |
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is their place to make that request and enforce it via appeals if |
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necessary. |
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Face it, Gentoo is a pretty easy place to get something done as long |
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as it doesn't involve stepping on everybody else's toes. Actually, |
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most teams are good about cooperating - if I got pinged that one of my |
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packages didn't work with the latest libfoo stable candidate I'd be |
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sure to take a look at it, and treecleaners would step in if I didn't |
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after a reasonable time. The only time we really need the Council is |
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for the big decisions. And, those big decisions don't get made more |
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effectively if everybody is questioning the right of anybody to make |
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the big decisions. |
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In the end, SOMEBODY has to make the last call. We might as well make |
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it an elected body. |
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Rich |