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From: Steve Long <slong@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:05:28 +0000
Daniel Butzu wrote:
> 
> I think there is something wrong with your knode since it is putting
> into my mouth some words that I didn't say. When writing a mixed reply
> is not enough to mention the name of only one initial sender.
Oh I'm sorry I thought you'd read the previous message. Here this should
make it clearer:

>>> > On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@...>
>> Daniel Butzu wrote:
>> > On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> For the record: I'd still like drobbins involved, but I don't think
>> >> his terms were at all reasonable, and the way he went about it was
>> >> reprehensible imo. It was designed to cause the furore it did, and
>> >> only makes me give credence to the argument that much of the negative
>> >> press on distrowatch has come from an associate of his. It was a
>> >> totally political move, and not at all motivated by concern for Gentoo
>> >> afaic. If he cared that much, he'd have approached Mr Goodyear
>> >> privately or on the nfp list if he wanted to be "open". Not put
>> >> everyone through all this stress.
>> >>
>> > Maybe. However, since it caused the furore it did it seems that a lot
>> > of users were unsatisfied.
>>
Since you ignored what "the rest of my mail was about", I included some of
it, and expanded on it to explain what I meant. Sorry for your confusion.

In this mail anything starting >> or '>> >>' is mine.

>> > On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@...>>>
>> > Users used to feel just as excluded when drobbins was in charge 
>> There appears to be some myth going round that everything was sweetness
>> and light back in those days; it's not true, and further the distro was
>> an absolute pig to maintain:
>> <long time user> "I used Gentoo when it was version 0.7, which was omg
>> broken. Packages were added to portage and this would be stable, that
>> would not compile at all. Then you had to re-sync to compile it, so in a
>> day, you would need to re-sync portage 3 or 4 times to get everything to
>> compile. :P ..Even still back in the 1.4 days, people really had no idea
>> what to do."
>>

>> Daniel Butzu wrote:
>> > You can't stir up something when there is nothing to stir up.
>>
>> Actually I think this whole drama shows that you can, or at least you can
>> draw attention to one thing (lack of paperwork) and pretend it means
>> something else (Gentoo is dying! Again!) People like drama.
>>
>> Daniel Butzu wrote:
>> > So maybe we should focus more on our problems today, since we were
>> > unable of doing it yesterday.
>>
>> Er yeah, maybe you'd like to discuss those then? That was what the rest
>> of my mail was about.
>>
As in:
>> > On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@...>
>> >> I've openly stated that I think user involvement and conduct on the
>> >> dev m-l are the biggest problems I see.
>>
>> As in, how do we constructively change those? Or do you believe that can
>> only be done by drobbins taking exclusive ownership of everyone's code?
>>

HTH,
steveL: looking forward to your points.


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References:
A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Dominik Riva
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- George Prowse
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Dominik Riva
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Wulf C. Krueger
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Dominik Riva
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Wulf C. Krueger
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Dominik Riva
Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Steve Long
Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Daniel Butzu
Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Steve Long
Re: Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
-- Daniel Butzu
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