Fabian Groffen schrieb:
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1. Should the change of quiet build default in recent portage versions
be reverted?

The timeframe between suggestion and implementation was less than 14
hours, so way too less time for a real discussion. Additionally, the
discussion following the change has shown, that there is no consensus
about this change neither for developers nor for users. So i would like
to see this reverted, at least until we get to a consensus at this topic
in which case the consensus result should be implemented.

2. Should the default output of portage be changed to quiet?

If yes, is a simple portage message for 2.1.* users enough to inform
users about this highly visible change? Especially in the context in
mind, that a good amount of packages have elog messages, so it is pretty
easy to miss this hint for a change in portage behaviour.