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From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-12-13
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 03:43:14
Message-Id: 4EDC3DB6.6090405@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-12-13 by Rich Freeman
1 On 12/05/11 10:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
2 > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Patrick Lauer<patrick@g.o> wrote:
3 >> And spend much more time trying to find them silly logfiles now that we hide
4 >> the output. I really enjoy having to fix yet another bad default everywhere
5 >> just so I see *why* things fail ...
6 > Unless something has changed the logfile name including full path is
7 > printed when there is an error. So, it is just a matter of copy/paste
8 > into a cat and you can watch the whole thing scroll by and even
9 > pretend it is compiling really fast while it is doing it. :)
10 So one useless step added, which might give extra funny output because
11 of escaped escape sequences and such funnies, with no benefit for me
12 >
13 > It seems like a pretty sane default to assume that most packaged build
14 > without issues - after all, that is basically the goal, right?
15 And for those I don't care about the output at all, but when things fail
16 I want to see it.
17 So for me the proper default is "show everything, let me ignore what I
18 don't want"
19
20 (Plus there are funny cases with clock skew putting builds into a loop
21 that are obvious when you see the output, but impossible to catch with
22 supressed output. Yey riddles!)
23 >
24 > That is probably why the forum post is at 52-48 - it really isn't that
25 > obvious a call one way or the other. In any case, it doesn't affect
26 > me anyway since I use parallel build and I trust the Council to at
27 > least provide some kind of closure...
28 >
29 > Rich
30 >
31 Well, for the machines getting fed binpkgs it'd be an ok default, but
32 when I build there's a pretty good chance that something funky happens.
33 Just try FEATURES="test" emerge -e system ;)

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