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On 8/1/07, René 'Necoro' Neumann <lists@××××××.eu> wrote: |
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> Hey guys, |
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> I'd like to discuss a topic that I know much people will use for |
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> trolling/flaming or similar. If you feel like this - get you a weapon |
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> and cool down, but please do not answer :) |
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> I start this discussion as I'm inspired by some posts at drobbin's blog. |
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> The first thing: |
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> What is the actual (official) attitude towards Sabayon? |
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What is this 'official' stuff? |
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I don't think Gentoo has a body that makes decisions on 'officiality' |
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and I don't think anyone cares anyway. Some people think Sabayon is |
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good, others do not. I don't think you will get an 'official |
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attitude', you will get the attitude of whomever you have asked. |
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> If it is as I think it is (negative) - why is it like this? Why isn't |
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> Sabayon treated as an official "child project"? Why is support denied |
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> for Sabayon Users? - I know that they have a global ~$ARCH and some |
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> not-so-nice hacks ;), but this shouldn't be a reason, as problems |
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> related to this shouldn't be the major part... |
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Sabayon (in my experience) has badly chosen settings in |
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/etc/make.conf. Those settings by default make the packages in |
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sabayon unsupported in a typical gentoo environment (ie you are using |
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gentoo but have those settings, good luck getting support from many |
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people). |
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Support in #gentoo is typically denied to sabayon users because in our |
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experience it's rarely a gentoo problem. It's usually a problem with |
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the sabayon overlay or build settings. The number of times I've |
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helped someone for 15 or 20 minutes only to find out they are using |
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sabayon and not gentoo and holy crap they have this overlay and horrid |
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build settings. Hey surprise, your packages didn't build. Maybe you |
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should use sane settings! -> makes me grr ;) |
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I believe you can always get support for it in the Unsupported Software forum. |
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So to sum up, we don't support it because it has really bad make.conf |
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settings (CFLAGS/LDFLAGS). It would be like saying 'we support you |
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using -ffast-math'. Which is false, we will tell you to rebuild your |
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system without -ffast-math. If you come to me with a sabayon problem, |
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I'll tell you to rebuild your system with sane build flags unless you |
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have good evidence that those flags are not the problem. Most Sabayon |
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users are not prepared to do that. |
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> I want just to propose, that the devs should be more open for Sabayon - |
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> and see it as a source of ideas and software. If lxnay will finish |
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> Entropy (and it helds what it is supposed ;)) - it will add a feature |
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> that is often asked for and always declined as "not possible". (And |
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> there may be other stuff ...) |
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> Hmm ... I had several other thoughts but forgot them during the day :/. |
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> So again: Only serious, constructive answers :) |
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> - -- Nec |
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> P.S.: Nope - I'm not a Sabayon User :) |
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