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Roy Bamford wrote: |
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> On 2008.01.21 18:19, Steve Long wrote: |
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>> And when 90% say they don't like the way they |
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>> get treated by Gentoo devs, there is a real issue. Call it |
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>> communicaton, call it what you want, it's a real and valid concern. |
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>> And IMO it holds Gentoo back. |
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> For the furtherance of this discussion and simplification of the |
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> problem space, lets assume that we have already identified that Gentoo |
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> is split into two mutually exclusive groups which I shall call "them" |
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> and "us". I do not admit that it is really like this but it serves as a |
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> reference frame for further discussion. |
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Fair enough, although I think it better to talk about devs and users, since |
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there is a distinction (a dev has gone through the recruitment process) and |
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there is overlap, and far more common ground than is realised when the |
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groups are arguing. It's like the People's Front of Gentoo vs the Gentoo |
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People's Army; we're losing sight of our commonality in factional fighting: |
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http://jerryleecooper.com/ |
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> How do you go about turning "them" and "us" into "we" ? |
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> Discuss. |
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You just answered it imo: discussion, in a courteous framework. Having this |
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list makes a big difference, since we now have a forum wherein to discuss |
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non-technical issues without being flamed for being off-topic (if you're a |
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user.) |
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> One further constraint to the discussion, you must not use the word |
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> "they", as in "they should ..." |
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We should appoint you, NeddySeagoon El Presidente! ;p You've got far more |
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nous than most of us, and you have the maturity to see past your own ego. |
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Although TBH I don't personally believe we need a President or any other |
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changes beyond making sure the legal issues are appropriately handled and |
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addressing user concerns (specifically how they feel alienated by devs, in |
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contrast to other users). I'd like it if the culture changed so that user |
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concerns were seen as the priority, but I ain't holding my breath.. ;) |
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Presidents and premiers don't really work irl imo. Too much on one shoulders |
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only leads to collapse (usually evinced by delusions of grandeur, or a |
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conviction that complex problems can be solved with simple solutions) as |
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well as encouraging formation of a clique around the victi^W candidate. |
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People naturally form sub-groupings; if we ensure no one group can override |
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everyone else, that'll be good. A single leader works against that imo |
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since s/he will only ever be able to have effective communication with (or |
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trust in) a limited subset. Bingo, there's your clique, and everyone else |
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will feel excluded, or judged on how close they are to the "centre". |
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> The idea is not to point fingers but plan how to move from the |
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> situation described above to a different (better?) situation. |
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Agreed: whatever group you talk about there are always people one doesn't |
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like. Recriminations back and forth aren't going to help. |
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> (No points for spotting the 6sigma game) |
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Well I hope I don't lose any for having nfc what that meant? ;) |
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