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After having written this, I realized I might be telegraphing a bit too |
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much in places. So take the amplifications for what they are worth. |
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They are more "lawyer like" than my original response, but I don't see |
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how to put them into a manifesto. |
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On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:37 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote: |
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> Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o> wrote: |
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> > On 2008.06.05 01:00, Ćukasz Damentko wrote: |
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> > > Hi guys, |
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> > > Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be |
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> > > open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). |
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> > Team, |
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> > I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. |
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> > I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept |
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> > council nominations. |
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> > 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider |
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> > it broken) |
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> Mostly it's not broken. However, I think the intent of the rule |
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> "If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members,..." |
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> is to prevent the council from meeting without a quorum. If at a |
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> meeting they don't have a quorum and thus don't meet, I'd consider that |
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> to be a non-meeting and treat those who did not make it just as "absent" |
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> under normal meeting rules. |
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And the bit about hearing appeals assumes that devrel initiated the |
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disciplinary action being appealed. I'd make it explicit that Council |
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is not itself a disciplinary body --- resolving conflicts is what devrel |
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is for among other things. |
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> > 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending |
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> > appeals what policy do you propose ? |
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> Any developer making an appeal would explain why the appeal should be |
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> successful using any information he chooses, then Council would decide |
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> (deny, grant on the merits, grant on procedural grounds, whatever). |
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> I'd also add two new requirements: |
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> 1. Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days; |
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> 2. Any Council member who is on record as to the merits of the action |
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> being appealed could not take part in the appeal process unless the |
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> developer making the appeal allows it. Probably this would mean a |
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> discussion between that developer and the Council. |
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> Of course Council members have opinions of devrel actions, but I think |
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> it creates a potential conflict of interest if they broadcast them. |
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Plus a few more: |
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3. When I say "explains" I mean publicly on IRC; |
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4. And the explanation is a dialogue --- people may ask questions of |
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each other, request further information, and so on. |
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5. Procedural grounds refers to failure to follow procedure, not |
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letting the developer appealing know what he's done to merit the |
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discipline, not giving the developer an opportunity to respond, and such |
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like. |
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6. I don't see much merit in giving devrel a role in the appeal. |
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Whatever they have done should already have been documented. However in |
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any specific appeal, Council should have the option to involve devrel. |
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> > 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for |
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> > the extra work? |
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> I already have the time, really. Although I am a member of several |
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> projects in Gentoo, right now only Trustees require much time. |
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> > 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make |
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> > Gentoo better? |
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> > Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work |
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> > together in too. |
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> > Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. |
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> I'm already a trustee, so having a council member who is a trustee is |
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> a start. |
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> Trustees and Council together are responsible for the smooth working |
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> of Gentoo, but with largely complementary areas of authority. So I |
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> think the two groups should begin by looking for places they both can |
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> usefully contribute and work to put cooperation there in place (Code |
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> of Conduct comes to mind because it applies to the entire community |
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> but Council is pretty much limited to developers). Then set out to |
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> put such cooperation in place. |
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> There's a lot of hand-waving in that statement because I don't have |
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> any specific mechanism for carrying it out in mind. |
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> Another idea is to sit down and look at just what Gentoo's business |
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> model is. We know there is one because the Foundation owns things |
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> like trademarks or funds (as it must because you have to have some |
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> sort of legal entity in place to do that). But the Foundation is not |
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> much involved directly in performing technical guidance, say (although |
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> I can think of cases where it might be). I personally think it makes |
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> sense to look at bringing the two closer together to look more like a |
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> traditional business (although this is perhaps a minority view). For |
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> our continued health I think we have to work toward this goal. |
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This is badly stated. Perhaps it would help if I mentioned that in my |
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view, Gentoo exists for its community, not just for the developers. |
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> > 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can |
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> > bring to the council? |
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> I've been around for a long time in the business world as a developer, |
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> manager, and lawyer. (I might actually be Gentoo's oldest |
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> developer.) |
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> I've been a Gentoo developer for a bit more than 4 years. In |
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> Gentoo I'm sparc (architecture) lead, a trustee, and a member of devrel |
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> and userrel. I am no longer all that strong technically, but |
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> I think I have a pretty good feel for how the software development |
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> process works. And both within Gentoo and in the real world I have |
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> spent a lot of time working with people in areas like mediation or |
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> management. So I guess I'd say I'm a "people oriented" person with a |
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> reasonable understanding of the development process, but certainly not |
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> Gentoo's strongest technical person. |
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> > 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to |
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> > Gentoo in the last year. |
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> I am happiest with my part in making the Foundation legal |
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> again. I was elected sparc lead and elected to the trustees, but I |
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> hardly view those as contributions. |
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> > Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto |
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> > addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the |
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> > electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/ |
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> > interest to undertake the duties of a council member. |
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> > I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on |
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> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008- |
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> > nominees.xml |
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> I'll provide a link in the next week or so. Most likely to a link to a |
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> text file in d.g.o/~fmccor/ |
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> > - -- |
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> > Regards, |
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> > |
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> > Roy Bamford |
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> > (NeddySeagoon) a member of |
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> > gentoo-ops |
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> > forum-mods |
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> > treecleaners |
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> > trustees |
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> > For the avoidance of doubt, I write as an individual developer and not |
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> Hope this helps, |
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> Regards, |
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> Ferris |
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> Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o> |
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> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees) |
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Sorry for the double response, |
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Regards, |
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Ferris |
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Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o> |
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) |