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To: AllenJB <gentoo-lists@...>
From: "Alec Warner" <antarus@g.o>
Subject: Re: Stabilization process addition: Announcements about required manual intervention
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0800
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:19 PM, AllenJB <gentoo-lists@...> wrote:
> ...Which isn't stable yet, so stable users won't see them... if there even
> were any news items (I'm using portage 2.2, just sync'd and there are no
> news items listed).
>
> I was aware of GLEP 42 but it's one of those things that seems to have
> existed in some form since I started using Gentoo several years ago and has
> never been implemented.
>

It was implemented a year ago and released only recently.

> Given that it's apparently already in testing, when will developers start
> using this system? (And how will it be known if there are any issues with it
> if it hasn't been used on the live tree before 2.1.6 goes stable?)
>

Probably once portage versions that support it are stable.

> And who is going to make sure that developers are using it to keep users
> informed of (potential) issues?
>

I think the idea of some kind of 'news police' is stupid.  Responsible
developers will write items, have them checked by someone and then
submit them.  Irresponsible developers will not.

> Also, will news items be posted to a web page, forum or mailing list in
> addition so that they can be easily linked to from forums / irc / mailing
> lists and users can see issues coming in advance if they don't sync
> particularly frequently?

Not at this time, but news items are easy to parse, file a bug if you
think this is useful.

-Alec

>
> AllenJB
>
> Zac Medico wrote:
>>
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>> AllenJB wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would like to suggest that as part of the stabilization process,
>>> developers are required to (get PR to) make an announcement about any
>>> manual intervention that (might be) required on a stable system.
>>>
>>> At the moment, this would include most blocks (eg. the recent e2fsprogs
>>> block) and issues such as the firefox/xulrunner use flag issue.
>>>
>>> These announcements should appear on the gentoo.org front page,
>>> gentoo-announce list and the announcements forum.
>>>
>>> The announcement should appear before the first (affected) architecture
>>> stabilizes the package.
>>>
>>> I think this would help alleviate the load of those helping in the
>>> forums, irc and mailing lists as well as probably reduce the number of
>>> unnecessarily created bugs.
>>>
>>> Obviously the need for these announcements will be drastically reduced
>>> with the stabilization of portage 2.1.6 / 2.2, but I suspect there will
>>> still be things which they can not handle automatically.
>>>
>>> AllenJB
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You can use GLEP 42 news items which are supported with portage-2.1.6:
>>
>>  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html
>> - --
>> Thanks,
>> Zac
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