On 08:58 Fri 05 Aug     , Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 04-08-2011 13:08:06 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 18:15 Tue 02 Aug     , Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > > I think yes, if the council regarding GLEP39 thinks A, but the dev 
> > > population B, then it is unlikely the council will vote for B.  
> > > However, the dev population should vote for other council members 
> > > that do support B for the next term in that case.
> > 
> > I think the whole idea is rather absurd that the council could 
> > disagree with a change to GLEP 39 and thus prevent it from going to 
> > a developer-wide vote, even though they don't think they have the 
> > authority to change the GLEP.
> 
> Let me try to put it different:
> 
> The assumption that the council has to vote for GLEP39, perhaps is 
> wrong.  Would it make more sense when the council would suggest the 
> changes for GLEP39 and have the dev community vote on acceptance?
> 
> Beforehand, the council then -- internally -- has to vote if they 
> agree on the changes being put forward to the dev community.  I think 
> there should be a majority vote among the council members before such 
> proposal is sent out for a dev vote.

I still don't like it. I think that anyone should be able to submit 
things to a developer-wide vote if desired, regardless of whether a 
council majority supports it. I suppose maybe I would be OK with having 
at least one council "sponsor" for the vote, but I hate the idea of the 
council having a pre-vote veto on any idea they don't like that changes 
how they operate.

Let's say I propose an idea that 80% of the council likes but 80% of 
developers want. This doesn't seem unreasonable since I was very highly 
ranked in voting with a platform that involves totally changing our 
leadership structure, and yet the council insists it cannot change GLEP 
39. I would be pretty pissed if most of Gentoo wanted something but the 
"cabal" at the top didn't even let them make the choice.

I would be OK with the council having a nonbinding vote on the matter 
prior to an all-dev vote just so everybody knows where they stand, but I 
think the matter should go to a full vote regardless of the results.

--
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Council Member / Sr. Developer
Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.com