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On 2008.01.22 21:18, John Lawles wrote: |
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> Alec, |
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> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 07:32:55PM -0800, Alec Warner wrote: |
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> > I could sit in #gentoo and field questions all day (I've done it |
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> > before) but I have things I could spend my time on that are more |
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> > worthwhile to the project .... |
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> To find the big-payoff items, I suggest first doing triage on the |
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> threads: |
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> (1) Ignore, at least temporarily, noob-does-something-stupid |
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> threads. |
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> (2) Ignore threads about unstable packages because unstable |
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> packages are supposed to have problems. |
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> What is left are (3) normal users having problems with stable |
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> parts of Gentoo. Then ask: what architectural changes to Gentoo |
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> would have eliminated that problem, or better yet, that general |
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> type of problem? |
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[snip] |
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> Regards, |
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> John |
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> gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list |
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John, |
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There is a third class of problem - experienced user does something for |
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the first time and makes an error. There is a lot of that |
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I do pretty much what you suggest in my forums post. Users making a |
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mistake, I try to show them where and what they did wrong without |
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telling them the answer. The give a man a fish or teach him to fish |
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idea. |
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When there is a regular issue, I write a NeddySeagoons' Guide on the |
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forums that I can link to. It makes it easier for me and provides a |
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tested path for others to follow. There are only about 7 or 8. I can't |
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think of any that were Gentoo specific. Google Neddyseagoons +Guide |
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site:forums.gentoo.org to find them. |
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I would say that the biggest issue is that Gentoo users actually build |
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their own distro, using the tools that gentoo provides. There is no |
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such thing as the Gentoo distro. Every install is different. Users |
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therefore go though all the pain that binary distro builders go |
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through, |
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that binary distro users never see. |
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Its this incremental distro update that causes problems from time to |
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time. In general gentoo packages what ${UPSTREAM} provides. When that |
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gets changed in incompatible ways, modular Xorg, libexpat ... its |
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necessary to rip out the old put in the new and then pick up the |
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pieces. That's never going to go away - its the price of being a source |
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based distro. |
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Gentoo can (and does) provide the tools to ease the pain as much as |
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possible. Can the tools be improved to make things easier ? |
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Of course thay can, and I've seen the way portage and gentoolkit has |
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improved over the years. |
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Can the tools eliminate issues like libexpat - no. Whenever you have to |
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take a jigsaw apart to put it together differently to fit in a piece |
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you just found there is risk. |
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Regards, |
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Roy Bamford |
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(NeddySeagoon) a member of |
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gentoo-ops |
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forum-mods |
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treecleaners |
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