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On 08/05/2011 08:22 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Markos Chandras
> <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> Right, exactly what I am saying. A single developer has to put his
>> effort to push things forward. Last time I remember something
>> similar was when Ben (yngwin) tried to introduce changes and he was
>> "forced" to retirement. Awesome. You know very well that if a
>> single person tries on his own to change things, he will lose
>> motivation sooner or later.
> So, here's the thing. If a huge number of devs are against an idea,
> then it is probably best NOT to approve it unless it is just a
> matter of bikeshedding.
You probably do not remember the case. A lot of people were supporting
his ideas. That was not the problem.
> What is the alternative? One guy wants to make a huge change to
> Gentoo. Most don't agree. Democratically elected council is thus
> unlikely to back it. Instead suppose we have a dictator for the
> year or whatever and he happens to support it, so he issues an edict
> that the one guy is the prophet for this year.
I am talking about situation that everybody agrees yet there is nobody
to step up and move it forward.
> Let's look at the whole /usr thread. It started out with lots of
> shock and general opposition with one or two guys pushing for a
> change. They than brought forward arguments and I'd judge from
> recent comments that they won over a good chunk of the dev population
> - now we're just haggling about the how and not arguing so much over
> to-FHS or not to-FHS. By the time the council is asked to do
> anything (if they even need to get involved) there will probably be a
> clear majority consensus. That's how you drive change.
I am very interested to see if a solution will ever come up from that
/me shuts up and goes back to his corner
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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