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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
Subject: Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:31:05 +0100
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On 08/05/2011 08:22 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Markos Chandras
> <hwoarang@g.o> wrote:
>> Right, exactly what I am saying. A single developer has to put his 
>> effort to push things forward. Last time I remember something
>> similar was when Ben (yngwin) tried to introduce changes and he was
>> "forced" to retirement. Awesome. You know very well that if a
>> single person tries on his own to change things, he will lose
>> motivation sooner or later.
> 
> So, here's the thing.  If a huge number of devs are against an idea, 
> then it is probably best NOT to approve it unless it is just a
> matter of bikeshedding.

You probably do not remember the case. A lot of people were supporting
his ideas. That was not the problem.

> 
> What is the alternative?  One guy wants to make a huge change to 
> Gentoo.  Most don't agree.  Democratically elected council is thus 
> unlikely to back it.  Instead suppose we have a dictator for the
> year or whatever and he happens to support it, so he issues an edict
> that the one guy is the prophet for this year.
> 

I am talking about situation that everybody agrees yet there is nobody
to step up and move it forward.

> Let's look at the whole /usr thread.  It started out with lots of 
> shock and general opposition with one or two guys pushing for a 
> change.  They than brought forward arguments and I'd judge from
> recent comments that they won over a good chunk of the dev population
> - now we're just haggling about the how and not arguing so much over
> to-FHS or not to-FHS.  By the time the council is asked to do
> anything (if they even need to get involved) there will probably be a
> clear majority consensus.  That's how you drive change.
> 
I am very interested to see if a solution will ever come up from that
thread.

/me shuts up and goes back to his corner

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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References:
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
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Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Roy Bamford
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Donnie Berkholz
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Roy Bamford
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Markos Chandras
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Fabian Groffen
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Markos Chandras
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Rich Freeman
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Markos Chandras
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Fabian Groffen
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Markos Chandras
Re: Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
-- Patrick Lauer
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-- Markos Chandras
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-- Rich Freeman
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