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From: Dane Smith <c1pher@g.o>
To: gentoo-qa@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-qa] Early elections for new QA lead
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:14:04
Message-Id: 4DDBCA19.4040207@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-qa] Early elections for new QA lead by Markos Chandras
1 On 05/24/11 10:44, Markos Chandras wrote:
2 > On 24/05/2011 03:01 ¼¼, Dane Smith wrote:
3 >> On 05/23/11 12:22, Markos Chandras wrote:
4 >>> On 21/05/2011 02:03 ¼¼, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
5 >>>> Il giorno sab, 21/05/2011 alle 12.26 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto:
6 >>>>> In light of recent events, our current lead has proofen he can't
7 >>>>> control
8 >>>>> himself in civil manner. It's not a behavior lead should have and
9 >>>>> tarnishes the reputation for whole team.
10 >>>
11 >>>> Let it be on record that the reputation has been tarnished by QA members
12 >>>> not following the very policy they are supposed to enforce.
13 >>>
14 >>>> But fine by me, I candiate me and scarabeus.
15 >>>
16 >>> 5 days and still no responses. May we should reconsider whether QA is
17 >>> actually a "team" or just 4-5 individual members acting on their own?
18 >>>
19 >>> Regards,
20 >
21 >> I am following this issue and the bugs with Samuli and Arfrever etc. I
22 >> just don't have anything to say. If we feel elections are necessary, I
23 >> will participate. I think I am up to speed on all of what's been going
24 >> on enough to voice my opinion intelligently.
25 >
26 >> As to whether or not we need elections early, I don't think we do. I
27 >> personally consider this entire issue to be a giant pile of nonsense. We
28 >> are arguing over ChangeLogs. I can think of so many more important
29 >> important issues than that to find solutions to. We also can easily
30 >> automate ChangeLog generation etc as long as we want to log everything,
31 >> in which case this entire fiasco would be moot. (There are also other
32 >> solutions to this set of problems we could consider.) However, at the
33 >> moment, the only thing I see is a pissing match over the current policy.
34 >> Both sides have technical merits. However, we are creating a very public
35 >> scene with all of this, and that is something I down right do not
36 >> approve of. When we want to get back to the technical issue itself, I
37 >> will gladly voice my opinion.
38 >
39 >> I like to think that QA is a decent team of people. I've worked with
40 >> most people on the team in the past couple months. Having said that, I
41 >> don't think spending an hour or so every month or two making sure
42 >> everyone is on the same page would be a bad idea. I also don't think
43 >> formalizing some of the procedures etc would be a bad idea. There was
44 >> one idea I thought was interesting on bug
45 >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368097 comment 51. None the
46 >> less, that is all a topic for a separate thread.
47 >
48 >> Regards,
49 >
50 > Dane,
51 >
52 > I am not talking about elections. What I want to say is that QA is not a
53 > team. We do not act as team but rather as individuals based on their own
54 > will and temper. A team is supposed to have meetings, take team
55 > decisions, discuss problems and find solutions that are voted by the
56 > majority of the members. Please tell me. Who are the members of QA? Are
57 > all the 14 people listed on the web page? Is this really the QA team?
58 > Does the current situation reflect reality at all? The way I see it. QA
59 > team is actually a group of people with elevated privileges. But
60 > definitely not a team.
61 >
62 > Regards,
63
64 Markos,
65 I am inclined to agree with you. As I mentioned, I don't think a team
66 meeting once in a while would be a bad idea. I also like Thomas'
67 proposed idea to cut anyone from the team who doesn't vote. A little bit
68 more of team unity / direction would go a long way, especially given the
69 nature of QA work.
70
71 I think this would be a great topic for a new thread. Whoever gets to it
72 first can start it. =)
73
74 Regards,
75
76 --
77 Dane Smith (c1pher)
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