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On 05/24/11 10:44, Markos Chandras wrote: |
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> On 24/05/2011 03:01 ¼¼, Dane Smith wrote: |
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>> On 05/23/11 12:22, Markos Chandras wrote: |
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>>> On 21/05/2011 02:03 ¼¼, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: |
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>>>> Il giorno sab, 21/05/2011 alle 12.26 +0300, Samuli Suominen ha scritto: |
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>>>>> In light of recent events, our current lead has proofen he can't |
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>>>>> control |
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>>>>> himself in civil manner. It's not a behavior lead should have and |
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>>>>> tarnishes the reputation for whole team. |
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>>>> Let it be on record that the reputation has been tarnished by QA members |
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>>>> not following the very policy they are supposed to enforce. |
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>>>> But fine by me, I candiate me and scarabeus. |
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>>> |
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>>> 5 days and still no responses. May we should reconsider whether QA is |
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>>> actually a "team" or just 4-5 individual members acting on their own? |
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>>> Regards, |
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>> I am following this issue and the bugs with Samuli and Arfrever etc. I |
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>> just don't have anything to say. If we feel elections are necessary, I |
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>> will participate. I think I am up to speed on all of what's been going |
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>> on enough to voice my opinion intelligently. |
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>> As to whether or not we need elections early, I don't think we do. I |
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>> personally consider this entire issue to be a giant pile of nonsense. We |
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>> are arguing over ChangeLogs. I can think of so many more important |
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>> important issues than that to find solutions to. We also can easily |
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>> automate ChangeLog generation etc as long as we want to log everything, |
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>> in which case this entire fiasco would be moot. (There are also other |
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>> solutions to this set of problems we could consider.) However, at the |
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>> moment, the only thing I see is a pissing match over the current policy. |
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>> Both sides have technical merits. However, we are creating a very public |
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>> scene with all of this, and that is something I down right do not |
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>> approve of. When we want to get back to the technical issue itself, I |
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>> will gladly voice my opinion. |
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>> I like to think that QA is a decent team of people. I've worked with |
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>> most people on the team in the past couple months. Having said that, I |
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>> don't think spending an hour or so every month or two making sure |
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>> everyone is on the same page would be a bad idea. I also don't think |
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>> formalizing some of the procedures etc would be a bad idea. There was |
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>> one idea I thought was interesting on bug |
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>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368097 comment 51. None the |
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>> less, that is all a topic for a separate thread. |
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>> Regards, |
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> Dane, |
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> I am not talking about elections. What I want to say is that QA is not a |
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> team. We do not act as team but rather as individuals based on their own |
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> will and temper. A team is supposed to have meetings, take team |
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> decisions, discuss problems and find solutions that are voted by the |
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> majority of the members. Please tell me. Who are the members of QA? Are |
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> all the 14 people listed on the web page? Is this really the QA team? |
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> Does the current situation reflect reality at all? The way I see it. QA |
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> team is actually a group of people with elevated privileges. But |
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> definitely not a team. |
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> Regards, |
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Markos, |
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I am inclined to agree with you. As I mentioned, I don't think a team |
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meeting once in a while would be a bad idea. I also like Thomas' |
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proposed idea to cut anyone from the team who doesn't vote. A little bit |
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more of team unity / direction would go a long way, especially given the |
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nature of QA work. |
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I think this would be a great topic for a new thread. Whoever gets to it |
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first can start it. =) |
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Regards, |
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Dane Smith (c1pher) |
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Gentoo Linux Developer -- QA / Crypto / Sunrise / x86 |
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