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On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:20 +0100, Peter Weber wrote: |
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> Gentoo should have again an Universal-CD again, because: |
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No. Never. Quit suggesting we resurrect this low-quality piece of |
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crap. We will never bring this back. Ever. It caused too many issues |
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and was more trouble than it was worth. |
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> * Support for network/networkless-installation on one release-media |
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Same for LiveCD... |
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> * More flexibility as with Minimal-CD and LiveCD |
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Bull. The LiveCD has *way* more packages and has a much fuller |
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environment. The LiveCD is a superset of the Minimal/Universal package |
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set. |
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> * Compared with LiveCD the footprint is generally small (necessary |
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> hardware, size of image) |
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Bull. The Universal CD was nearly always a full 700MB. |
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> * Offers the classic full "Shell-Installation" who is loved by the |
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> gentoo-community (no voodoo-scripts, included stage3 and sources for the |
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> most important packages like vanilla-sources and bootloaders) |
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Yes, because everybody out there is too dumb to start the LiveCD with |
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"nox" or simply switch to a console of their choosing. |
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> * Could also offer a Ncurses-Installer and requires only some MB of |
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> space on the disk (without X11, Gnome, OpenOffice) |
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We *do* already do this. |
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> * One consistent-installation way for all platforms (only x86/x86_64 |
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> doesn't offer it currently) |
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That is because we're moving to the Installer *from* the Universal. |
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> * Debian and Ubuntu (with its alternate-cd) offers currently more |
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> flexible solutions than Gentoo! Hey, who is here the meta-distribution? |
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Ahh, yes. Time for the accusations without any backing! |
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Got any other completely unproven statement to make? Maybe users are |
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leaving Gentoo for Ubuntu because Gentoo has a graphical installer now? |
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How about that the Universal CD is being removed secretly from the |
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mirrors because Daniel Robbins owns the trademark on the words |
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"Universal CD" and won't sell it/license it to the Gentoo |
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Foundation? ;] |
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> * There are currently unoffical Universal-CD avaiable, we don't need |
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> much work to prepare: http://download.libexec.de/ting/2007.0/ |
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...and? |
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How cares? Anyone can do this all they want. What Release Engineering |
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*doesn't* have to do is support it. After all, that's the entire point |
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of dropping them in the first place. |
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> Thanks to dertobi for the great work ;-) |
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> Maybe he can support you with necessary and up-to-date catalyst files. |
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Umm... 's/minimal/universal/' *.spec... ;] |
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> Please don't put this suggestion to your trash can, because you |
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> personally don't need or want it. The Univeral-CD is and was always a |
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> great installation-media, and it was simple. |
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Well, if you don't want your suggestion to go to the trash, please try |
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to come up with something *original* that hasn't already been shot down |
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100 times. |
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Thanks, |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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Games Developer |
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