Gentoo Archives: gentoo-releng

From: solar <solar@g.o>
To: gentoo-releng@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-releng] Feature Requests for 2006.1
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:19:16
Message-Id: 1142367534.25069.67.camel@onyx
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-releng] Feature Requests for 2006.1 by Chris Gianelloni
1 On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
2 > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 14:27 -0500, solar wrote:
3 > > You cant really do a server profile so far nested within the
4 > > default-linux profiles. The flags will be just wrong.
5
6 > Have you verified this or are you just assuming?
7
8 took a quick peek and I know how default-linux is maintained. Stuff
9 gets added on a whim to upper levels.
10
11 > > Also a server is not something you should be switching profiles every 6
12 > > months.
13 >
14 > This I definitely agree with, with the exception that I am specifically
15 > looking to create a profile set that *is* changed every release. The
16 > main difference here would be that profiles would be deprecated/removed
17 > at a *much* slower rate.
18
19 While I can semi agree with you here. If we do it. It should either be
20 a profile that does not change in terms of being deprecated unless
21 there is a real ABI change or one that is an annual profile.
22
23 > > If you are serious about a server profile I'd suggest dropping what you
24 > > are thinking now. Lets have a meeting (hardened + server + infra +
25 > > releng ) folks and do it right together.
26 >
27 > I'm not sure what either Infra or Hardened would have to do with
28 > "default-linux" stuff, except that their input would be very valued as
29 > they would be experienced in these matters.
30
31 Reason I say this is that time and time again the idea of server
32 profiles have been brought up. It's a task I've been willing/wanting to
33 take on and work with teams.
34 But in the end the result has always been that the
35 hardened profile is suitable/ideal for servers and that adding an
36 explicit server profile was opted against. Now by you creating one you
37 are effectively setting precedence of what a server profile should be.
38
39 > I have no problem with
40 > having some sort of meeting. My primary reason for the profile is to
41 > keep all of the "cruft" from dev-lang/php out of the desktop profiles
42 > and to keep the gnome and kde stuff out of the server profile. I *know*
43 > that they're not perfect or even what is necessarily desired, which was
44 > the point of including all of the profile stuff in the original email.
45
46 understood. Heads up however that the (PHP + portage + QA) teams have
47 been working together all morning on the best way to solve that bug. So
48 a creative solution might be right around the corner.
49
50 -peace
51
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