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From: keith <eckosgentoo@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-releng@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-releng] Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:40:24
Message-Id: 1202103614.24614.0.camel@DarkCloud
In Reply to: [gentoo-releng] Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta by davecode@nospammail.net
1 just do emerge --nodeps bash && emerge --nodeps portage. Because I get
2 it also
3
4 On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 20:31 -0800, davecode@××××××××××.net wrote:
5 > Hi Gentoo-
6 >
7 > My overall impression of Gentoo is "what a fantastic system"! I can't
8 > believe how good, really. These are all fairly minor things. I'm new
9 > to Gentoo, so forgive dumb ignorance, but Linux and programming are my
10 > profession.
11 >
12 > For your 2008.0 release:
13 >
14 > The 2007.0~ppc branch fails to upgrade over a Bash / Portage block. So
15 > will 2008.0 break too, until attended? A Bash / Portage conflict is the
16 > worst possible.
17 >
18 > I tried to fix it (from zsh chroot into Gentoo) but gave up. Stock
19 > advice on FAQs does not work in this thorny case. Forums show
20 > occasional situations between Python / Portage, too.
21 >
22 > I do not want/ask your help, but only to share a thought:
23 >
24 > Portage should have embedded Python and embedded Bash. Exactly the
25 > versions it needs, with bare minimum required libraries, statically
26 > compiled.
27 >
28 > The Portage 'snapshot' is already a special install step. And Gentoo
29 > already ships regular snapshots. The only thing missing is embedding
30 > the dependencies directly.
31 >
32 > I've never embedded Bash, but have Python, several times. Bash could
33 > probably work too. The combined ELFs weigh around 2 MB total, not bad
34 > for a critical executive controller like Portage which has its own
35 > dedicated snapshots.
36 >
37 > Finally - how about some recent stage3 ~arch tarballs. I can't find
38 > any. Most distros do daily/weekly/monthly build snapshots. The only
39 > snapshots for Gentoo seem to be Portage snapshots. Am I wrong? I know
40 > the 2008.0 beta is due soon, but I mean on a continuous basis. Not
41 > binary builds, just the latest ~arch tarball. If not frequent, at least
42 > quarterly?
43 >
44 > Normal ppc 2007.0 works fine from a dependency standpoint. The entire
45 > reason for trying Gentoo is that ppc boxes need the absolute most
46 > bleeding edge of everything. Hence the interest in Gentoo and
47 > specifically ~arch. We also want the latest GNOME anyhow, plus
48 > compiz-fusion.
49 >
50 > Would it be best to wait a month until beta, or is it reasonable to
51 > install ~arch right now? A few bugzilla contributions from us might
52 > help the beta project but deadly bash/Portage conflicts are a little too
53 > thick for my taste right now...
54 >
55 > Thank you!
56 > --
57 >
58 > davecode@××××××××××.net
59 >
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