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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>
Subject: Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:22:51 -0800
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:20 +0100, Peter Weber wrote:
> Gentoo should have again an Universal-CD again, because:

No.  Never.  Quit suggesting we resurrect this low-quality piece of
crap.  We will never bring this back.  Ever.  It caused too many issues
and was more trouble than it was worth.

> * Support for network/networkless-installation on one release-media

Same for LiveCD...

> * More flexibility as with Minimal-CD and LiveCD

Bull.  The LiveCD has *way* more packages and has a much fuller
environment.  The LiveCD is a superset of the Minimal/Universal package
set.

> * Compared with LiveCD the footprint is generally small (necessary
> hardware, size of image)

Bull.  The Universal CD was nearly always a full 700MB.

> * Offers the classic full "Shell-Installation" who is loved by the
> gentoo-community (no voodoo-scripts, included stage3 and sources for the
> most important packages like vanilla-sources and bootloaders)

Yes, because everybody out there is too dumb to start the LiveCD with
"nox" or simply switch to a console of their choosing.

> * Could also offer a Ncurses-Installer and requires only some MB of
> space on the disk (without X11, Gnome, OpenOffice)

We *do* already do this.

> * One consistent-installation way for all platforms (only x86/x86_64
> doesn't offer it currently)

That is because we're moving to the Installer *from* the Universal.  

> * Debian and Ubuntu (with its alternate-cd) offers currently more
> flexible solutions than Gentoo! Hey, who is here the meta-distribution?

Ahh, yes.  Time for the accusations without any backing!

Got any other completely unproven statement to make?  Maybe users are
leaving Gentoo for Ubuntu because Gentoo has a graphical installer now?
How about that the Universal CD is being removed secretly from the
mirrors because Daniel Robbins owns the trademark on the words
"Universal CD" and won't sell it/license it to the Gentoo
Foundation?  ;]

> * There are currently unoffical Universal-CD avaiable, we don't need
> much work to prepare: http://download.libexec.de/ting/2007.0/

...and?

How cares?  Anyone can do this all they want.  What Release Engineering
*doesn't* have to do is support it.  After all, that's the entire point
of dropping them in the first place.

> Thanks to dertobi for the great work ;-)
> Maybe he can support you with necessary and up-to-date catalyst files.

Umm... 's/minimal/universal/' *.spec... ;]

> Please don't put this suggestion to your trash can, because you
> personally don't need or want it. The Univeral-CD is and was always a
> great installation-media, and it was simple.

Well, if you don't want your suggestion to go to the trash, please try
to come up with something *original* that hasn't already been shot down
100 times.

Thanks,

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Games Developer
-- 
gentoo-releng@g.o mailing list


References:
Call for feature requests for 2008.0
-- Chris Gianelloni
Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD
-- Peter Weber
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