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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 07:49 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: |
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> > As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media |
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> > for the 2007.0 release. |
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> > This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD. |
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> [snip] |
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> > What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD? I have |
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> > no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for |
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> > people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers. |
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> 1. How big can the total get? How big is it now? Is it half full? 2/3? 3/4? |
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Well, if we had: |
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#1. The 2006.1 LiveDVD packages (as listed previously) |
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#2. a stage3 tarball |
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#3. *all* of the distfiles |
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We would be at ~3GB (give or take a couple hundred megabytes) of a 4.7GB |
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DVD. Since we offer the media over Bittorrent only, the disk space |
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isn't quite that vital as media stored on the community mirrors. |
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Remember that if we add distfiles, we have to add *all* the distfiles. |
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So any package recommendations must also take into account the amount of |
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sources needed to build it. |
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> 2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be |
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> distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems |
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> that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science, |
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> multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web |
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> applications/servers, etc.? |
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Well, I can tell you that the GRP set (and hence the LiveDVD) has |
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traditionally been designed as a "desktop" reference. We don't include |
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server packages. Now, as you can see, I wouldn't mind doing things like |
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adding an IDE or two, and other useful applications. Generally, think |
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of what you run on your desktop box, and see if we're currently shipping |
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it. Then, ask yourself "would other people use this if it were on the |
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DVD?" That's pretty much it. |
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For 2006.1, my primary goal with the LiveDVD was to restore the packages |
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that were removed from the LiveCD (think KDE) due to size. |
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With 2007.0, I am wanting to add functionality to that. |
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> 3. Could there be more than one, with "themed" DVDs like multimedia or |
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> science only available for a nominal price from the store? Something |
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> like RHEL -- the source is freely available on line as required by the |
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> GPL and someone like CentOS could come along and remaster, but people |
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> who wanted the convenience of downloading an ISO would pay, say, $10 or |
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> $20 to support Gentoo. |
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Nope. We don't have the time for it, for one. Second, Cafepress |
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doesn't sell *any* DVD media, meaning that unless we find a new vendor |
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capable of creating CD/DVD media on-the-fly, as well as t-shirts and |
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other schwag, we won't be selling a DVD set. |
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> In the absence of themes, I'd just say "more programming languages, |
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> Rails and more Ruby stuff, more multimedia, more science, more network |
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> tools, ..." That's what I use -- everything I have on my systems would |
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> easily fit on a LiveDVD, but I could go ahead and build my own with |
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> Catalyst. |
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Please list *exact* packages. If I don't use this stuff, I'll never |
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know what you would consider. ;] |
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Remember that there are a few goals here. |
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#1. Provide packages for the Installer |
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#2. Provide packages people want |
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#3. Provide stuff to show off Gentoo |
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-- |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams |
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Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee |
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Gentoo Foundation |