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From: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@g.o>
Subject: Re: Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:16:19 -0600
davecode@... wrote:
> Hi Gentoo-
> 
> My overall impression of Gentoo is "what a fantastic system"!  I can't
> believe how good, really.  These are all fairly minor things.  I'm new
> to Gentoo, so forgive dumb ignorance, but Linux and programming are my
> profession.
> 
> For your 2008.0 release:
> 
> The 2007.0~ppc branch fails to upgrade over a Bash / Portage block.  So
> will 2008.0 break too, until attended?  A Bash / Portage conflict is the
> worst possible.

No. The 2008.0 stages will have whatever versions of packages are in the tree at 
the time of our snapshot.

> I tried to fix it (from zsh chroot into Gentoo) but gave up.  Stock
> advice on FAQs does not work in this thorny case.  Forums show
> occasional situations between Python / Portage, too.
> 
> I do not want/ask your help, but only to share a thought:
> 
> Portage should have embedded Python and embedded Bash.  Exactly the
> versions it needs, with bare minimum required libraries, statically
> compiled.

No. That's not feasible when you start looking at all the architectures that 
Gentoo is supported on.

> The Portage 'snapshot' is already a special install step.  And Gentoo
> already ships regular snapshots.  The only thing missing is embedding
> the dependencies directly.
> 
> I've never embedded Bash, but have Python, several times.  Bash could
> probably work too.  The combined ELFs weigh around 2 MB total, not bad
> for a critical executive controller like Portage which has its own
> dedicated snapshots.

Those snapshots have nothing to do with the Portage program. They are simply 
snapshots of the "tree".

> Finally - how about some recent stage3 ~arch tarballs.  I can't find
> any.  Most distros do daily/weekly/monthly build snapshots.  The only
> snapshots for Gentoo seem to be Portage snapshots.  Am I wrong?  I know
> the 2008.0 beta is due soon, but I mean on a continuous basis.  Not
> binary builds, just the latest ~arch tarball.  If not frequent, at least
> quarterly?

The stage tarballs are *never* ~arch. We have talked about doing automated 
builds, but we're not releasing them for public consumption, since there will be 
absolutely *zero* QA done on them.

> Normal ppc 2007.0 works fine from a dependency standpoint.  The entire
> reason for trying Gentoo is that ppc boxes need the absolute most
> bleeding edge of everything.  Hence the interest in Gentoo and
> specifically ~arch.  We also want the latest GNOME anyhow, plus
> compiz-fusion.

Uhh, why exactly do PPC boxes need the newest everything?

> Would it be best to wait a month until beta, or is it reasonable to
> install ~arch right now?  A few bugzilla contributions from us might
> help the beta project but deadly bash/Portage conflicts are a little too
> thick for my taste right now...

That particular blocker isn't exactly hard to get around. There are a few 
threads in the forums (and I'm sure on the gentoo-user mailing list) that talk 
about it.

-- 
Andrew Gaffney                                 http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer             Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator
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