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davecode@××××××××××.net wrote: |
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> Hi Gentoo- |
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> My overall impression of Gentoo is "what a fantastic system"! I can't |
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> believe how good, really. These are all fairly minor things. I'm new |
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> to Gentoo, so forgive dumb ignorance, but Linux and programming are my |
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> profession. |
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> For your 2008.0 release: |
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> The 2007.0~ppc branch fails to upgrade over a Bash / Portage block. So |
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> will 2008.0 break too, until attended? A Bash / Portage conflict is the |
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> worst possible. |
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No. The 2008.0 stages will have whatever versions of packages are in the tree at |
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the time of our snapshot. |
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> I tried to fix it (from zsh chroot into Gentoo) but gave up. Stock |
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> advice on FAQs does not work in this thorny case. Forums show |
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> occasional situations between Python / Portage, too. |
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> I do not want/ask your help, but only to share a thought: |
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> Portage should have embedded Python and embedded Bash. Exactly the |
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> versions it needs, with bare minimum required libraries, statically |
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> compiled. |
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No. That's not feasible when you start looking at all the architectures that |
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Gentoo is supported on. |
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> The Portage 'snapshot' is already a special install step. And Gentoo |
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> already ships regular snapshots. The only thing missing is embedding |
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> the dependencies directly. |
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> I've never embedded Bash, but have Python, several times. Bash could |
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> probably work too. The combined ELFs weigh around 2 MB total, not bad |
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> for a critical executive controller like Portage which has its own |
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> dedicated snapshots. |
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Those snapshots have nothing to do with the Portage program. They are simply |
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snapshots of the "tree". |
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> Finally - how about some recent stage3 ~arch tarballs. I can't find |
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> any. Most distros do daily/weekly/monthly build snapshots. The only |
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> snapshots for Gentoo seem to be Portage snapshots. Am I wrong? I know |
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> the 2008.0 beta is due soon, but I mean on a continuous basis. Not |
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> binary builds, just the latest ~arch tarball. If not frequent, at least |
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> quarterly? |
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The stage tarballs are *never* ~arch. We have talked about doing automated |
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builds, but we're not releasing them for public consumption, since there will be |
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absolutely *zero* QA done on them. |
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> Normal ppc 2007.0 works fine from a dependency standpoint. The entire |
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> reason for trying Gentoo is that ppc boxes need the absolute most |
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> bleeding edge of everything. Hence the interest in Gentoo and |
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> specifically ~arch. We also want the latest GNOME anyhow, plus |
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> compiz-fusion. |
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Uhh, why exactly do PPC boxes need the newest everything? |
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> Would it be best to wait a month until beta, or is it reasonable to |
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> install ~arch right now? A few bugzilla contributions from us might |
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> help the beta project but deadly bash/Portage conflicts are a little too |
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> thick for my taste right now... |
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That particular blocker isn't exactly hard to get around. There are a few |
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threads in the forums (and I'm sure on the gentoo-user mailing list) that talk |
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about it. |
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Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ |
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Gentoo Linux Developer Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator |
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