Gentoo Archives: gentoo-releng

From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>
To: gentoo-releng@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-releng] USE flags and stages 1 and 2
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:10:24
Message-Id: 1130792970.26789.120.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net
1 I'm starting to get more and more bugs from users whom have decided,
2 against the recommendation of those of us in Release Engineering, to do
3 a stage1 or stage2 installation using their custom USE flags, and
4 finding that their installation is unable to complete properly. The
5 problem stems from more and more packages adding more and more USE
6 flags. We already recommend that all users perform a stage3
7 installation, but this doesn't appear to be enough to resolve the
8 problem. What it really boils down to is the inability for us to test
9 with all of the possible USE flag combinations and ever get a release
10 out the door.
11
12 As it stands, I only see a few options, none of which sound very good:
13
14 1. Only release stage3 tarballs
15 2. Inform users that only stage3 will be supported
16 3. Change the documentation to recommend users not change USE flags
17 until after the completion of "emerge -e system"
18
19 In pretty much every case, the real answer is "quit using stage1 if you
20 don't know what you're doing" but unfortunately, we're going to get the
21 pointless "but Gentoo is about choice" "argument" that really has no
22 bearing on the truth of what is Gentoo. Gentoo is *not* about choice.
23 Gentoo is about empowering the user to make the system as he sees fit.
24 This means there is a certain expectation that when you start fiddling
25 with stuff, you're going to pick up the pieces on your own. At any
26 rate, the problem is only going to get worse as more and more USE flags
27 are added.
28
29 What can we do to curb this problem?
30
31 --
32 Chris Gianelloni
33 Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
34 x86 Architecture Team
35 Games - Developer
36 Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-releng] USE flags and stages 1 and 2 "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@×××××××.net>
Re: [gentoo-releng] USE flags and stages 1 and 2 Michael Crute <mcrute@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-releng] USE flags and stages 1 and 2 "Jory A. Pratt" <anarchy@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-releng] USE flags and stages 1 and 2 Seemant Kulleen <seemant@g.o>
[gentoo-releng] Re: USE flags and stages 1 and 2 Anthony Gorecki <agorecki@××××××××××.com>