On 12 Jan 2004, at 17:39, Jason Wever wrote:

>> Baselayout changes are essential if we want to have working LiveCDs.
>
> However, coming into the last 1.5 weeks or so before release without 
> our
> build tools being fully functional, having to finish writing them,  QA
> them as well as the release seems like a rather large and daunting 
> task to
> try to adequately do in the timeframe provided, regardless of which 
> arch
> you are on.

I agree, it will be very hard to release QA'ed livecds on ppc in time 
for LWE. But I don't really mind being late this time because the delay 
is caused by the design and implementation of a fantastic multi-arch 
tool that will enlarge chances for more/better gentoo releases on all 
platforms/architectures.

>> The purpose of the original release date was to meet LWE, but as it 
>> has
>> been mentioned before, it is not crucial to release on that date (the
>> 22nd). Gentoo is fluid, and so are our releases. Release when you can,
>> just try to be as close to the 22nd as you can be. Dates are not as
>> important as QA.
>
> Why can't we have one unified release date for all architectures, 
> rather
> than one or two at a time?

More architectures will be able to release at the same time when the 
tool is finished.

>> Your assesment is unfair. Our goal, as well as yours, is to provide
>> excellent QA. If openssl and baselayout need bumped to fix security 
>> bugs
>> and CDBOOT problems, fine; we cannot release something that is broken.
>> The issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with being a non-x86
>> arch. I am sorry that it takes so long to build, but as I have said,
>> release when you can. No one has got you in a chokehold to release on
>> the 22nd. If you release on the 29th, I do not care. What I do care
>> about is QA. Make sure your release is tested, which I am sure you 
>> will
>> do.
>
> Then somewhere we need a release TODO list, that shows each task that
> needs to be completed and what it's current status is.  This will 
> allow us
> all to make better and more informed decisions.
>
> I'm not trying to be overly ornery here, I'm just trying to do the best
> job I can.

I think releng is being quite verbose about catalyst etc. I believe 
they underestimated the time needed to make the release this time, but 
again; once finished it will rock :-) and releases will be made more 
unified and less time will be lost on reinventing the wheel on 
alternative architectures.

Pieter


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