Re: [gentoo-scm] Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

[Rich Freeman]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se> wrote:
>> Of course you're right that it's a desired feature in a replacement
>> for CIA, but I guess this -scm list is specifically about the version
>> control system and not so much bells and whistles around it.
>
> I took "need" from someone's (Richard's?) statement that developer
> workflow needs to be not impacted. I took Jeroen's description (and
> Anthony's affirmation) of stat monitoring as a part of his developer
> process as meaning it was part of his workflow.

Wasn't mine - though you might have seen my name in the email a few
times between the shotgun blasts.  :)

Personally I think that impact on workflow needs to be minimized, but
change is change.

I don't see a CIA website replacement as a "need" for the git
migration, since it isn't even a regression - we don't even have it
for cvs now.

>
> And, FFS, what _other_ mailing list am I going to have to join in
> order to contribute in a constructive manner[1], if this isn't the
> right place to note it? I'm beginning to feel lost in a maze of twisty
> little mailing lists, all alike. At least four times this year, I've
> been told "this isn't the place to discuss X". Sometimes the person
> saying this is kind enough to point out where X should be discussed,
> but usually not.

I see no harm in discussing it here, but actually if you can drum up
support for a separate project you'll probably actually get more help.
 There was nothing Gentoo-specific about the service CIA provided.
The issue was that the itch CIA scratched for most was apparently the
IRC bot and not the website.

ESR argues that the website would be better designed by directly
analyzing the repo rather than receiving broadcasts from it.

So, I wouldn't limit the scope of any project you want to start to
only Gentoo.  If we end up rolling our own this seems as good a place
as any to discuss it.  However, if it takes on a life of its own
you'll quickly want to set up some other place, if only to make those
who don't use Gentoo feel less put off.

Oh, and frankly I'm far more concerned that contributors have the
chance to contribute than they do it on the right mailing list.  Don't
let anybody else tell you otherwise.  No harm in trying to direct
things to the right place, but the message should be first and
foremost: THANKS!

Rich