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From: david@×××××××××.com
To: gentoo-server@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] requirements for a more stable portage tree
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:41:28
Message-Id: 20040213213944.GC31351@redhate.futuretel.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-server] requirements for a more stable portage tree by Andrew Cowie
1 On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 11:19:48AM +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote:
2 > On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 00:18, Kurt Lieber wrote:
3 > > That particular combination works. I know it works. It has worked for
4 > > months. However, if I upgrade either libxslt to 1.0.33 or libxml2 to 2.5.8,
5 > > Weird Stuff starts happening and my life quickly becomes unpleasant. ...In my mind, that
6 > > defeats the purpose of a stable/frozen tree.
7 >
8 > That's a VERY fair argument Kurt, except I would temper it with this:
9 >
10 > What "works" for you doesn't necessarily work for me.
11 >
12 > [I presume] you arrived at that combination but bumping one or another
13 > or the third until you found a combination that was stable for your
14 > situation. Great!
15 >
16 > But that may not necessarily be stable for someone else, and the trouble
17 > comes when we consider this: who decides what is stable and what isn't?
18 > It's effectively the same manpower problem as backporting software.
19 >
20 > Debian does both these tasks. To their credit, they're very good at it,
21 > but as we know, the end result doesn't always meet our needs.
22 >
23 > I'm not against Gentoo going down that road, I'm just not sure you'll
24 > get value for the huge effort that would need to be invested.
25 >
26
27 this is why we have packages.mask. If there are several versions of a
28 lib, make it so that you don't upgrade it in packages.mask. That lib
29 isn't in the frozen tree ? that's ok, portage supports multiple
30 overlays these days.
31
32 I think a frozen tree a great idea, trying to find 'stable' versions
33 of software and dependancies between libraries is lunacy. Besides, as
34 you said it limits your choics, and gentoo is about choice.