Gentoo Archives: gentoo-server

From: Pavel Labushev <p.labushev@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-server@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] Server Packages for Gentoo
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:21:00
Message-Id: 48E49268.90106@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-server] Server Packages for Gentoo by Robert Bridge
1 Robert Bridge пишет:
2
3 > That's what the "static package" people are referring to. A server that
4 > can be set up, and once running should need minimal updating, for
5 > security reasons.
6
7 What security reasons are you talking about? Hardened Gentoo is the most
8 secure linux distribution available.
9
10 > You can't do that safely in Gentoo.
11
12 You can't do exactly that. But that's not the only way. With Gentoo, you
13 can do another things to make your servers reliable and secure.
14
15 > Some people are happy with regularly changing packages, restarting
16 > services every month because a new version of the server is in tree,
17 > dealing with the breakage induced by things like python upgrades, bash
18 > upgrades, portage upgrades, gcc upgrades, ...
19
20 Some people do their job. And that people has no in-production problems
21 *at all* regarding changes in the tree.
22
23 > But for a 24/7 uptime on a high load server, most people consider those
24
25 For a 24/7 uptime on a high load server, some people consider
26 reliability through redundancy, stress and regress pre-production
27 testing, dedicated and secure chroot environments for every sinlge
28 service with minimal amount of packages and enabled USE flags, and so on...
29
30 > to be unacceptable. Now Gentoo can be got to not do those, but as
31 > anyone will tell you, updating a Gentoo box after a year is painful,
32
33 Don't do full update at once after a year.
34
35 > and when you have to update to cover a critical security hole? Now try updating a Debian box after a year?
36
37 Debian and security... Hmmm...
38
39 > Don't mistake one awkward piece of software which is not supported in
40 > the other distros for the general properties of those distros. Gentoo
41 > is good for tweaking, it's good for doing "Your own thing", that does
42
43 Gentoo is good for people who care to invest their time and effort
44 instead of whining.
45
46 > not make it automagically better than Debian or RHEL, or SLES in the
47 > high-stability stakes.
48
49 Gentoo is absolutely better for me.