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On Thursday 18 November 2004 18:06, drobbins wrote: |
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> So it is true store has a long track record of helping Gentoo and even the |
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> Foundation (by paying for it to get set up ) -- but does not yet have a |
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> track record of sending money directly to the Foundation. Now that the |
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> Foundation is finally getting a bank account, this seems like something |
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> that can be fixed. Also, it can be fixed *faster* if you let people know |
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> about these DVD products, as I have only sold *2* of them so far and I know |
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> that more people are interested than that. So this would seem like a good |
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> time to continue to help one another, working towards a goal of having a |
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> successful store that is a great asset to the Foundation. Keeping me |
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> interested in adding new and interesting products to the Store is |
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> definitely in the best interest of the Foundation, and I seriously doubt |
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> you'll find another Store with the ability to add the type of products that |
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> I can. |
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> I don't know how many other stores would create their own |
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> never-before-released software like the Gentoo DVD, and I have interest in |
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> doing more of this kind of thing in the future. I hope to continue doing |
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> this, if we keep smiling at each other. I like friendly people. |
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Let me say that I hope we will be able to continue to do so. From the |
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foundation's point of view we need to look at the status of the shop. |
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Currently the shop is the "official" gentoo shop. I think this status can |
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continue given that the shop also benefits the distribution in some way. A |
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cut of the profits (in whatever way defined) is such a way. |
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Of course you are the person who started the distribution, that gives you an |
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advantage over others that want to sell gentoo stuff, or even want to manage |
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the "official" shop. At some point however this relationship must be set in |
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something more solid than promises and history, and some kind of contract |
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(whatever) probably needs to be created making clear what the |
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responsibilities of the foundation and the shop are. |
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For example, what would we do when someone came to the foundation with the |
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request to buy (for selling on) "official" gentoo DVD's. Those DVD's that you |
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made. We cannot just say "it's OK" without involving you. This case did not |
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happen yet, but can we require you to sell them on for wholesale prices? |
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Probably not. Or to license the artwork for a reasonable price? Same story |
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I like you, but I think that some solid legal work can help continue the |
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relations in a friendly way. |
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> I really am trying to express something more than the fact that Kurt and I |
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> have a hard time getting along. You know this already. What I am thinking |
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> is that maybe rac would be interested in helping the Store better meet the |
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> needs of everyone (that includes me *and* the Foundation) and acting as a |
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> kind of official helper/ombudsman in this regard. He has the desire to |
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> help, and I get along really well with him. He motivates me to continue |
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> pushing forward and improving the store. And frankly, if you need to have a |
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> serious discussion with me, you need to make sure that Kurt is *NOT* the |
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> one to initiate any new topics with me. Yes, probably didn't exactly |
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> volunteer to broach the subject (maybe the only one who was bold enough to |
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> actually say something?) but c'mon, get a clue people. That's why I'm |
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> suggesting rac as a good liaison person for Foundation/Store issues. I |
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> trust him to look out for everyone, I get along with him and hopefully you |
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> can also talk to him more easily. |
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I've got no problem with Rac, although talking directly might be better. |
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Paul |
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ps. I don't mind that much how "revenue" gets to the foundation. Be it a |
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percentage of revenue, a fixed amount per product, or even a percentage of |
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net profit. My main point is that the position of the shop probably needs |
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more clarity. What can the shop expect from gentoo, and what can gentoo |
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expect from the shop. |
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Paul de Vrieze |
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Gentoo Developer |
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Mail: pauldv@g.o |
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Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net |