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> From: Paul de Vrieze [mailto:pauldv@g.o] |
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> Let me say that I hope we will be able to continue to do so. From the |
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> foundation's point of view we need to look at the status of the shop. |
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> Currently the shop is the "official" gentoo shop. I think this status can |
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> continue given that the shop also benefits the distribution in some way. A |
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> cut of the profits (in whatever way defined) is such a way. |
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OK, then it sounds like the $x per product model will work well. As the |
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store continues to operate, I will continue with this model for now and |
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gradually expand the products that have $x set aside as I figure out the |
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right amounts. |
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> For example, what would we do when someone came to the foundation with the |
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> request to buy (for selling on) "official" gentoo DVD's. Those DVD's that |
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> you made. We cannot just say "it's OK" without involving you. This case |
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> did not happen yet, but can we require you to sell them on for wholesale |
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> prices? |
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> Probably not. Or to license the artwork for a reasonable price? Same story |
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I admit that those issues are confusing. The off-list posts have discouraged |
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me from continuing to run the store. So it may be pointless to try to work |
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out these issues. |
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These issues are really trustee issues that all trustees should be finding |
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good solutions for, and then coordinating with me and others for feedback |
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and suggestions. I would hope that they would be decided with concern for |
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all parties involved. But I think it's the job of the trustees to start |
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looking for solutions that work for the future and are also compatible with |
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past arrangements. |
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Maybe give it a couple of weeks before we spend any legal effort on this. Or |
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at least make sure that your legal guys are doing any necessary end-of-year |
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NFP paperwork first that may be due (I have no idea if any is if you don't |
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have a bank account set up, but if one gets set up before the end of the |
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year, then it's very likely that you are required by law to file a bunch of |
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paperwork. Another complication.) |
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In the long term, I don't want to wade through unnecessary unpleasant stuff |
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like is happening with Kurt off-list. That is one of the reasons why rac |
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would be a good person for me to work with, because he seems focused on |
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solving problems for the benefit of everyone. |
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> I like you, but I think that some solid legal work can help continue the |
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> relations in a friendly way. |
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> I've got no problem with Rac, although talking directly might be better. |
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I have no problem talking directly, it's just that I haven't seen any |
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talking from trustees recently. I have kept Kurt totally informed about what |
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I was doing, and it did not prevent me from getting blindsided in a very bad |
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way yesterday, at the worst possible time. So maybe an intermediary would be |
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better because rac will have time to bug trustees for their opinions on |
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things, and keep me informed of them, which seems to be necessary to make |
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sure "everything is OK" and that everyone can work smoothly and without |
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unnecessarily wasted effort and stress. I just want to run the store. |
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> ps. I don't mind that much how "revenue" gets to the foundation. Be it a |
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> percentage of revenue, a fixed amount per product, or even a percentage of |
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> net profit. My main point is that the position of the shop probably needs |
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> more clarity. What can the shop expect from gentoo, and what can gentoo |
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> expect from the shop. |
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It is hard to know what to expect beyond a certain $x and $y per each item |
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sold, plus all donations collected. That's why I think that this is a good |
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model to expand on. |
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I would like to help solve these problems but only if the environment is |
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friendly, supportive and communicative about concerns. My primary concern in |
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the past 2 months has been getting the Store up to speed so that it can |
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start bringing in additional money beyond donations for the Foundation and |
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so the store can generate revenue to justify me continuing to run it. |
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Otherwise I need to shut it down. By adding the DVDs and expanding the store |
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product line, I am trying to make things work better for all of us. |
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My job is to run the store, not run Gentoo... meaning, good solutions to the |
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questions you raise that work for everyone should probably be researched by |
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you guys, not me. Remember, I am not a trustee, and I am not volunteering my |
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time to continue to help build the Foundation and its rules. That's your |
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job. |
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I just ask that when this task is done, it is done with concern, |
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consideration and open communication with all parties. I believe that this |
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is something that you and Sven both want, and I do too :) |
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Regards, |
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Daniel |
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