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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine |
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> thusly: |
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> |
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> > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> > > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did |
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> > > opine |
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> > > |
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> > > thusly: |
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> > > > I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. |
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> > > > Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching |
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> > > > everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally |
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> > > > putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes |
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> > > > my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox |
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> > > > configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call |
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> > > > it a day. |
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> > > |
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> > > So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? |
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> > |
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> > For the same reason I didn't leave them on windows 98 se. |
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> > Yes, it technically "still works" but is far less useful |
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> > than it was when it was enthusiastically supported by its |
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> > creators and still considered one of two default choices |
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> > for DE duty. |
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> > |
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> > I'm sorry if this discussion has offended you, Alan. |
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> > That was certainly not my intent. |
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> No, you didn't offend me. I usually talk and type like that. |
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> > However, admins with stories like mine are not at all uncommon, |
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> > and the bottom line is that kde4 lost a lot of users to other |
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> > DEs. The kde devs clearly bit off more than could chew, but |
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> > obviously that's water under the bridge now. But to deny it or |
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> > make excuses now does no service to anyone. "Oops, better not do |
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> > that again", is what we all hope they learned. We all make mistakes, |
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> > just don't make the same ones repeatedly! :) |
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> Your first three sentences above contain huge sweeping generalities disguised |
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> as facts, but all they really are is "what Indi thinks". If you are going to |
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> make comments like that, you have to back them up with some kind of |
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> independant unbiased metrics, otherwise you are talking through a hole in your |
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> ass. |
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> I have what I think might be an interesting exercise. One of the machines I |
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> admin is an enormous ftp server that serves an entire continent. It hosts |
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> every major (and many minor) distros, including gentoo and it's distfiles. One |
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> day when I'm motivated enough to do it, I might just draw download stats per |
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> distro for packages with kde in the name and plot this going back to before |
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> KDE-4.0.0 was released. I feel the numbers might prove very interesting. |
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> I won't be doing it today though, the motivation is not there (in the same way |
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> that the authors of KDE didn't have the motivation to maintain kde3 anymore). |
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You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. |
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I will say though that it's almost a certainty |
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the *type* of user who uses kde4 is probably |
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different from those who used kde3. |
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As I mentioned before, IMO the forte of kde3 was |
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making migration to linux easy for windows users. |
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I don't think anyone can say that about kde4 with a |
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straight face. On this list we constantly see pretty |
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advanced users having trouble keeping kde4 running. |
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My own experiments with it were extremely frustrating. |
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