Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> >> Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much "meritocratic"
>> >> this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most "merit" a
>> >> member of this list can get is to give technically acurate,
>> >> constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > in that case Alan certainly is at the very top.
>> >
>> > He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one
>> > of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil
>> > Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list
>> > of good gentoo-user citizens.
>> >
>> > Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is
>> > very rare.
>>
>> I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that asking for "how long"
>> someone has "been around" to determine his "place in the pecking
>> order" it's laughable.
>>
>> Just for the record, and although I'm a systemd user and supporter, I
>> don't agree with many of the things 微蔡 said, and I certainly don't
>> agree with the way he said them.
>>
>> But still for Alan to ask for how long he has been on the list to
>> undermine his point of view, I think is laughable at the best, and
>> cheap at the worst.
>
> Now is the correct time to point out that you misinterpreted my post. I
> didn't say so earlier for the simple reason that (in my world at least)
> that always seems to pour gasoline on fires.
>
> The intent was for 微蔡 to respond then I could point out that I felt
> him coming in here brand new and making comments of "haters" and so on
> was highly inappropriate and considered rude in almost all human
> cultures. It is true that longevity doesn't buy much, but it is also
> true that people in a group or community do have to establish at least
> *some* street cred first. Sans that, we have little more than
> mob-chaos.

I don't agree with that. It's a technical list, so the technical
arguments should be the only ones that matter, no matter who says them
or (to a certain degree) how they say them.

I didn't say anything about the members of the list responding to 微蔡
on at least one technical ground; yours was the first message I saw
that had not even a hint of a technical argument, but only a call for
proof of seniority. I felt that needed to be called out, because (IMO)
it serves no purpose and alienates users, specially new ones that feel
that they don't belong to a non-existing club.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México