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From: Caveman Al Toraboran <toraboracaveman@××××××××××.com>
To: "gentoo-user@l.g.o" <gentoo-user@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:34:12
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In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?) by Ashley Dixon
1 On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:57 PM, Ashley Dixon <ash@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
2
3 > Why the name "HillaryMail", and why does the logo contain a picture of Margaret
4 > Thatcher? ;-)
5
6 very true (re: thatcher). now i cannot unsee the
7 thatcher in the pixel art. i have 2 options:
8
9 (1) rename protocol into thatchermail.
10 (2) find another pixel art that's actually for
11 hillary.
12
13 i got the thatcher pixel art from a site that
14 claimed it's hillary [1].
15
16 as for the name "hillarymail", nothing against
17 her. it's just that i heard so much about
18 hillary's mails up to a point all mails started to
19 feel as if they belong to her.
20
21 i also named my passwords manager after nsa [2]
22 for a similar reason (even though i find nsa to be
23 much more trustworthy than my neighbours).
24
25
26 > More seriously, do you intend to write a reference implementation, or submit
27 > this as a more formal R.F.C. in the event of it attracting more attention?
28
29 i intend to eventually write a reference
30 implementation either way (hopefully). specially
31 that this seems to me very easy to implement, yet
32 it seems also powerful.
33
34 not sure what "formal r.f.c." means.
35
36 (a) if it means a less ambiguous description,
37 then "yes, but at a natural pace based on
38 demand" (in the spirit of occam's razor).
39
40 (b) if it means an r.f.c. submitted to
41 isoc/ietf, then "no". i think we should
42 ignore standard bodies for awhile since they
43 seem to be ignoring us.
44
45
46 > Furthermore, accusing every SMTP/POP/IMAP user to be an "idiot" may not be the
47 > best way of attaining support; I must admit, I have never seen that in an
48 > initial protocol proposal.
49
50 imo that's a parsing error on your side. to me
51 "idiot" didn't refer to smtp/pop/imap users. it
52 rather referred to those those who can't use
53 address books or bitcoin.
54
55 either way i've just replaced "idiots" by
56 "people". "idiot" wasn't justified either way.
57
58
59 > I'm also slightly confused regarding the "goals" section. By "easy to
60 > install/use", do you mean "easy" for the people implementing the protocol, or
61 > the people making use of said implementations? "Traditional" SMTP mail clients
62 > have always been pretty straight-forward for me, although the difficulty
63 > involved in implementing an M.T.A. is another story. I find this point rather
64 > equivocal.
65
66 i mean easy for both, but subject to the
67 constraints specified under "goals" and
68 "non-goals".
69
70 e.g. if becoming easier would cause the protocol
71 to end up needing to trust a sys admin, then
72 that's not acceptable.
73
74 but if it is possible to make it easier while
75 still satisfying the constraints
76 (goals/non-goals), then that's a good step forward
77 (perhaps draft one?).
78
79
80 ------
81 [1] http://pixelartmaker.com/art/dffec5c6b08b94e
82 [2] https://github.com/al-caveman/nsapass
83 note: trying to remove pexpect dependency as
84 it sometimes causes indefinite waiting. so it
85 is not ready for those who want a solid app
86 yet. that said, i really like it so far. imo
87 after removing "pexpect" it will be perfect.

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