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'evening, Mark. |
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: |
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> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff <yks-uno@××××××.ru> wrote: |
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> > In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for |
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> > me on my computers. |
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> Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread, |
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> though, and you'll get the impression that some complainers seem to |
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> think that Lennart is breaking into their systems and magickally |
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> installing his 175-year old software in them. What's this about 100% |
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> of the users being "forced" to have pulseaudio in? |
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Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome |
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>=3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the "forced" is certainly |
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there. |
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> And don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about here. If |
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> somewhere up there we're talking about "enforced" choices we're not |
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> talking about gentoo, we're talking about stuff like Fedora or Ubuntu |
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> and even "enforced" is a stretch as you could always go with a |
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> minimal, alternate, or a forked desktop. And it's pretty obvious why |
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> they thought it was sane for pulse to be a default choice. |
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There's a difference between a "default choice" and an absolute |
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requirement. |
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> Basically there's a bunch of vague criticisms of unnamed systems where |
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> "they" force stuff on "all users" for "no good reason". Nevermind that |
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> we can actually state what the reasons are. Fingers in the ears. |
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> neener neener. |
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Please feel free to state those reasons, which as far as I can see, |
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nobody has done yet in this thread; "they" being the gnome team, and the |
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reasons being for the forcing, not for a non-existent "default choice". |
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> Well I have a better theory, "they" made choices for "defaults-using |
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> users" that "you can totally undo" for "pretty decent reasons" but |
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> "some of us" just want to "feel better" about the "choices" we made by |
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> "pointing and laughing" at the ones we didn't. Even when we know so |
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> "much" about the topic that someone actually has to tell us what a |
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> "sound server" is or what its "use cases" are and our "use patterns" |
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> involve typing things in a black box so that pretty text scrolls |
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> quickly and makes us "feel smart" whereas the use patterns of the |
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> average user, uh... "don't". |
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It was me that started this thread, and me that needed that info. Why |
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do you have to be so disparaging about the process of learning? |
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> It's a sane idea for a desktop distro to include pulse as a -default-. |
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> No, seriously, it is. Just, frigging bluetooth headsets. |
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Do you frig bluetooth headsets? Can't say I do. |
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> And per-application volume control. Are there other ways to go about |
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> it? Yeah. It remains to be seen how any of them are an order of |
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> magnitude better than pulse. You don't -like- it? Fine. There's no |
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> point in going on on some tirade about how the poor, oppressed 99% of |
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> users could have been doing just fine with ALSA just like you have |
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> with your more beautiful, hand-crafted system... |
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Yes, I took pulse out of my beautiful system. As it turns out, it |
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hasn't (?completely) solved the problem of loosing the last few hundred |
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milliseconds of audio downloads. But at least from now on, that's one |
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fewer possible source of problems on my system. |
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> -- |
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Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). |