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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141378 - felix@×××××××.com |
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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141379 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141380 - felix@×××××××.com |
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> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections |
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> 141381 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections |
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> 141382 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org> |
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> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections |
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> 141383 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141384 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments |
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> 141385 - "G.Wolfe Woodbury" <redwolfe@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections |
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> 141386 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org> |
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> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections |
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> 141387 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments |
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> 141388 - felix@×××××××.com |
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> [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration |
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> 141389 - Philipp Kraus <philipp.kraus@×××××××××.de> |
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> [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro |
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> 141390 - Graham Murray <graham@×××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141391 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type? |
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> 141392 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 |
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> 141393 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend |
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> 141394 - Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration |
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> 141395 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend |
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> 141396 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend |
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> 141397 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries |
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> 141398 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141399 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> |
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> [gentoo-user] bibletime segmentation fault |
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> 141400 - Gene Hannan <gjhannan@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries |
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> 141401 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141402 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141403 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141404 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141405 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141406 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141407 - William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141408 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> |
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> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation |
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> 141409 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 |
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> 141410 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... |
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> 141411 - Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 |
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> 141412 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141413 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141414 - Randolph Maaßen <r.maassen60@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141415 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141416 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141417 - Marc Joliet <marcec@×××.de> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141418 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141419 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... |
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> 141420 - Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141421 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> |
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> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... |
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> 141422 - Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 |
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> 141423 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Offline Update |
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> 141424 - Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> |
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> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... |
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> 141425 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> |
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> [gentoo-user] Offline Update |
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> 141426 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> |
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> [gentoo-user] Offline Update |
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> 141427 - Bryan Gardiner <bog@××××××.net> |
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> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: |
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> > felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: |
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> > >> felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> > >>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core |
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> i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)". |
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> > >>> |
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> > >>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the |
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> Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo. I will say no more about my |
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> first experiences with Unity. |
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> > >>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 |
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> 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux". |
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> > >> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment. |
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> > >>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as |
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> > >> Which stage3 tarball exactly? |
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> > > Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook, |
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> not amd64, because it's not amd. But if amd64 should be used for all 64 |
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> bit installs, that's probably my problem. |
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> > > As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was |
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> "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3". This was about Sep 10. |
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> > It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32 |
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> > is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're |
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> > curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular |
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> > reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting |
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> > over with one. |
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> Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an intel |
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> processor. |
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> ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. |
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> Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com |
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> GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license |
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> #4933 |
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> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of |
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> room o |
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> felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: |
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> >> felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: |
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> >>>> felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> >>>>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core |
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> i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)". |
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> >>>>> |
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> >>>>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the |
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> Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo. I will say no more about my |
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> first experiences with Unity. |
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> >>>>> |
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> >>>>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 |
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> 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux". |
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> >>>> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment. |
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> >>>> |
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> >>>>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as |
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> >>>> Which stage3 tarball exactly? |
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> >>> Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook, |
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> not amd64, because it's not amd. But if amd64 should be used for all 64 |
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> bit installs, that's probably my problem. |
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> >>> |
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> >>> As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was |
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> "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3". This was about Sep 10. |
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> >>> |
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> >> It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32 |
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> >> is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're |
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> >> curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular |
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> >> reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting |
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> >> over with one. |
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> > Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an |
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> intel processor. |
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> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of |
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> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho |
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> Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short |
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> version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may |
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> come along and correct something. |
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> Dale |
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> :-) :-) |
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> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
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> how you interpreted my words! |
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> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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> > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of |
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> > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho |
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> > Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short |
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> > version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may |
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> > come along and correct something. |
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> I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor |
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> names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or |
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> was it x86 and x86_64? /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a |
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> symlink to the x86. It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo |
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> docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7? |
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> Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up). I'll |
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> finish the setup tomorrow. At some point I have to figure out where |
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> Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo install. |
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> ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. |
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> Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com |
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> GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license |
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> #4933 |
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> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of |
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> room o |
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> Howdy, |
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> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has |
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> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I |
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> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB |
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> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I |
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> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is |
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> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the |
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> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. |
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> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make |
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> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one |
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> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection |
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> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol |
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> So, since I already have everything set up for serial connections, |
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> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? |
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> Thanks. |
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> Dale |
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> :-) :-) |
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> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ |
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> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
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> how you interpreted my words! |
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> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> Howdy, |
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>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has |
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>> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I |
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>> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB |
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>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I |
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>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is |
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>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the |
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>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. |
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>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make |
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>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one |
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>> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection |
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>> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol |
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>> So, since I already have everything set up for se |
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>> rial |
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>> connections, |
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>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? |
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>> Thanks. |
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>> Dale |
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>> :-) :-) |
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>> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ |
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> Dale. |
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> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality |
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> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for |
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> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) |
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> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you |
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> configure it. |
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> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give |
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> any meaningfull answers :) |
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> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? |
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> Joost |
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> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
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> J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>> Howdy, |
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>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has |
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>> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I |
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>> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB |
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>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I |
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>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is |
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>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the |
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>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. |
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>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make |
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>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one |
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>> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection |
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>> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol |
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>> So, since I already have everything set up for se |
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>> rial |
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>> connections, |
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>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? |
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>> Thanks. |
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>> Dale |
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>> :-) :-) |
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>> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ |
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> Dale. |
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> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality |
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> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for |
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> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) |
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> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you |
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> configure it. |
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> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give |
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> any meaningfull answers :) |
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> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? |
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> -- |
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> Joost |
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> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
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> Ooops. I thought I put the model. It's a CyberPower 1350AVR. My old UPS |
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> is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old. I have one working |
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> plug left on the back of it. I literally wore the plugs out. lol |
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> According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is |
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> the same as I use on the old UPS. Since it uses the same drivers/software, |
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> I figure it will work like my old one does. Then again, this is newer so |
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> that's why I ask. My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display |
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> with more info than my old one. |
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> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070 |
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> I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter. I'm letting the battery |
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> charge overnight first. It says it is fully charged but still. Also, if |
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> it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I |
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> plug my rig up to it. o_O |
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> Thanks. |
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> Dale |
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> :-) :-) |
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> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! |
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> felix@×××××××.com wrote: |
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> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote: |
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> > |
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> >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of |
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> >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho |
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> >> Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short |
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> >> version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may |
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> >> come along and correct something. |
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> > I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor |
445 |
> > names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or |
446 |
> > was it x86 and x86_64? /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a |
447 |
> > symlink to the x86. It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo |
448 |
> > docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7? |
449 |
> > |
450 |
> > Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up). I'll |
451 |
> > finish the setup tomorrow. At some point I have to figure out where |
452 |
> > Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo |
453 |
> install. |
454 |
> > |
455 |
> |
456 |
> |
457 |
> I didn't say it wasn't confusing. ;-) Heck, I think I asked questions |
458 |
> here when I built my new rig which is sort of the reason why I |
459 |
> remember. From some discussions I have seen, I think some CPUs need a |
460 |
> rocket scientist to figure out what to use. I'm sure there is a rule |
461 |
> book somewhere. lol |
462 |
> |
463 |
> Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall |
464 |
> correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which |
465 |
> has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to |
466 |
> point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if |
467 |
> google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers |
468 |
> here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else |
469 |
> will. ROFL |
470 |
> |
471 |
> Dale |
472 |
> |
473 |
> :-) :-) |
474 |
> |
475 |
> -- |
476 |
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
477 |
> how you interpreted my words! |
478 |
> |
479 |
> |
480 |
> On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote: |
481 |
> > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall |
482 |
> > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which |
483 |
> > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to |
484 |
> > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if |
485 |
> > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers |
486 |
> > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else |
487 |
> > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-) |
488 |
> grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different* |
489 |
> |
490 |
> grub2-install /dev/sd?? |
491 |
> |
492 |
> is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then |
493 |
> |
494 |
> <editor> /etc/default/grub |
495 |
> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg |
496 |
> |
497 |
> is the incantation for making the basic configuration. If you have |
498 |
> multiple installations |
499 |
> on disk, emerge "os-prober" to bring in the detection of "foreign" |
500 |
> operating systems. |
501 |
> This creates the grub.cfg file, which prominently features a "DO NOT |
502 |
> EDIT" warning at the |
503 |
> top of the file; rank beginners are advised to edit /etc/defaut/grub if |
504 |
> that can make the changes |
505 |
> you want, but more advanced users can edit the grub.cfg to achieve |
506 |
> desired results. |
507 |
> |
508 |
> For example, my grub.cfg has the default entry for my preferred OS to |
509 |
> boot, and then has |
510 |
> entries that bing in other configuration files for various other |
511 |
> situations. I've got two |
512 |
> Gentoo collections, the Fedora collection and the Windows7 config. the |
513 |
> grub2 "info" |
514 |
> pages are complete but a little dense and not as well organized as they |
515 |
> might be. |
516 |
> |
517 |
> Good Luck. |
518 |
> |
519 |
> -- |
520 |
> G.Wolfe Woodbury |
521 |
> |
522 |
> |
523 |
> |
524 |
> |
525 |
> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
526 |
>> |
527 |
>> J. Roeleveld wrote: |
528 |
>> |
529 |
>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
530 |
>>> |
531 |
>>> Howdy, |
532 |
>>> |
533 |
>>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has |
534 |
>>> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I |
535 |
>>> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB |
536 |
>>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I |
537 |
>>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is |
538 |
>>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the |
539 |
>>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. |
540 |
>>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make |
541 |
>>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one |
542 |
>>> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection |
543 |
>>> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol |
544 |
>>> |
545 |
>>> So, since I already have everything set up for se |
546 |
>>> rial |
547 |
>>> connections, |
548 |
>>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? |
549 |
>>> |
550 |
>>> Thanks. |
551 |
>>> |
552 |
>>> Dale |
553 |
>>> |
554 |
>>> :-) :-) |
555 |
>>> |
556 |
>>> |
557 |
>>> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ |
558 |
>>> |
559 |
>>> |
560 |
>> Dale. |
561 |
>> |
562 |
>> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality |
563 |
>> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for |
564 |
>> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) |
565 |
>> |
566 |
>> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you |
567 |
>> configure it. |
568 |
>> |
569 |
>> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to |
570 |
>> give any meaningfull answers :) |
571 |
>> |
572 |
>> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? |
573 |
>> |
574 |
>> -- |
575 |
>> Joost |
576 |
>> -- |
577 |
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
578 |
>> |
579 |
>> |
580 |
>> |
581 |
>> Ooops. I thought I put the model. It's a CyberPower 1350AVR. My old |
582 |
>> UPS is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old. I have one |
583 |
>> working plug left on the back of it. I literally wore the plugs out. lol |
584 |
>> |
585 |
>> According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is |
586 |
>> the same as I use on the old UPS. Since it uses the same drivers/software, |
587 |
>> I figure it will work like my old one does. Then again, this is newer so |
588 |
>> that's why I ask. My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display |
589 |
>> with more info than my old one. |
590 |
>> |
591 |
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070 |
592 |
>> |
593 |
>> I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter. I'm letting the battery |
594 |
>> charge overnight first. It says it is fully charged but still. Also, if |
595 |
>> it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I |
596 |
>> plug my rig up to it. o_O |
597 |
>> |
598 |
>> Thanks. |
599 |
>> |
600 |
>> Dale |
601 |
>> |
602 |
>> :-) :-) |
603 |
>> |
604 |
>> -- |
605 |
>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! |
606 |
>> |
607 |
>> |
608 |
> Software is MS Windows only according to that site. |
609 |
> What are you using on Linux? |
610 |
> |
611 |
> Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not |
612 |
> compatible anymore. |
613 |
> -- |
614 |
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
615 |
> |
616 |
> J. Roeleveld wrote: |
617 |
> |
618 |
> |
619 |
> |
620 |
> Software is MS Windows only according to that site. |
621 |
> What are you using on Linux? |
622 |
> |
623 |
> Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not |
624 |
> compatible anymore. |
625 |
> -- |
626 |
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
627 |
> |
628 |
> |
629 |
> |
630 |
> I haven't connected the UPS yet so I'm still using my old UPS and nut |
631 |
> software. It has a Linux version on the CD but no mention of Gentoo, just |
632 |
> rpm and deb. I tried to install this once before and I never got the |
633 |
> software to work right. I think it was the init scripts that caused |
634 |
> trouble. |
635 |
> |
636 |
> I looked at the nut website and it says the new UPS uses usbhid-ups which |
637 |
> appears to need to be connected to the UPS by USB. I'll try the serial |
638 |
> cable first, see what if anything it reports, then try USB and see if it |
639 |
> reports the same thing. The old UPS uses powerpanel drivers within nut. |
640 |
> That is sort of confusing since they call the Linux drivers the same as the |
641 |
> windows software. |
642 |
> |
643 |
> Looks like I'm going to have to test this to see if it works or not. If |
644 |
> it does, may need to report it to the people on the nut website. I would |
645 |
> prefer serial if it works the same myself. |
646 |
> |
647 |
> Thanks much. |
648 |
> |
649 |
> Dale |
650 |
> |
651 |
> :-) :-) |
652 |
> |
653 |
> -- |
654 |
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! |
655 |
> |
656 |
> |
657 |
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:05:41AM -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: |
658 |
> > On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote: |
659 |
> > > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall |
660 |
> > > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which |
661 |
> > > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to |
662 |
> > > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if |
663 |
> > > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers |
664 |
> > > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else |
665 |
> > > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-) |
666 |
> > grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different* |
667 |
> > |
668 |
> > grub2-install /dev/sd?? |
669 |
> > |
670 |
> > is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then |
671 |
> > |
672 |
> > <editor> /etc/default/grub |
673 |
> > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg |
674 |
> |
675 |
> I figure I have to keep the existing Ubuntu install happy for a couple |
676 |
> of weeks. This is a work laptop and the Ubuntu side is productive |
677 |
> right now, so gentoo is my spare time conversion, and only after I |
678 |
> have it doing everything the Ubuntu install does, can I muck up |
679 |
> Ubuntu. It also is a handy reference if I get in a gentoo corner, |
680 |
> like setting up X or KVM. |
681 |
> |
682 |
> -- |
683 |
> ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. |
684 |
> Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com |
685 |
> GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license |
686 |
> #4933 |
687 |
> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of |
688 |
> room o |
689 |
> |
690 |
> On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said: |
691 |
> |
692 |
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote |
693 |
>> |
694 |
>>> Hello, |
695 |
>>> |
696 |
>>> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with |
697 |
>>> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now |
698 |
>>> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me |
699 |
>>> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and |
700 |
>>> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules |
701 |
>>> |
702 |
>> |
703 |
>> I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo. I use |
704 |
>> it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down. First |
705 |
>> question... is your kernel properly configured? You need to select the |
706 |
>> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option. In "make menuconfig" the |
707 |
>> path is... |
708 |
>> Device Drivers ---> |
709 |
>> [*] USB support ---> |
710 |
>> <*> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support |
711 |
>> |
712 |
> |
713 |
> Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my |
714 |
> kernel, everything works fine except |
715 |
> minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT |
716 |
> command the modem response |
717 |
> |
718 |
> Phil |
719 |
> |
720 |
> |
721 |
> |
722 |
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> writes: |
723 |
> |
724 |
> > and for a simple reason: ml have always been. So 'old timers' and 'people |
725 |
> > knowing their crap' hang around those. Then came AOL, eternal September |
726 |
> and |
727 |
> > forums for this new crop of lol users. And since like minded people love |
728 |
> to |
729 |
> > congrate... |
730 |
> |
731 |
> And prior to the 'modern' forums, the quality of CompuServe forums was |
732 |
> (IMHO) far higher than nearly all of today's web-based forums. |
733 |
> |
734 |
> On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
735 |
> |
736 |
> > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of |
737 |
> > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. |
738 |
> |
739 |
> Not really. Intel came out with the IA64 architecture in 2001 in the |
740 |
> Itanium processor. The IA64 architecture was much more RISC-like than |
741 |
> the IA32 (x86) architecture. More importantly, it wasn't good at |
742 |
> running old IA32 software. It could emulate the IA32 instruction set, |
743 |
> but the emulation mode produced very slow performance. Because of |
744 |
> price and the poor backwards compatiblity it wasn't very popular on |
745 |
> the desktop (though it was used in some high-end servers and cluster |
746 |
> machines). |
747 |
> |
748 |
> A couple of years later, AMD came out with the AMD64 (x86-64) |
749 |
> architecture in the Opteron processor. It _was_ backwards compatible |
750 |
> with the IA32 and was quite popular -- though initially it was mainly |
751 |
> used in IA32 mode (I still run all my AMD64 machines in IA32 mode |
752 |
> because I'm too lazy to change over when there's little benefit). |
753 |
> |
754 |
> Once the Opteron family was widely adopted, and it became obvious that |
755 |
> the 64-bit mode of AMD64 processors was going to be vastly more |
756 |
> popular than the IA64 architecture, Intel jumped on board in 2004 with |
757 |
> the Xeon processor which implemented the AMD64 architecture. |
758 |
> |
759 |
> After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up |
760 |
> flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64 |
761 |
> architecture in 2011. |
762 |
> |
763 |
> -- |
764 |
> Grant |
765 |
> |
766 |
> |
767 |
> On 2012-09-15, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> wrote: |
768 |
> > On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
769 |
> > |
770 |
> >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of |
771 |
> >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. |
772 |
> |
773 |
> |
774 |
> > After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up |
775 |
> > flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64 |
776 |
> > architecture in 2011. |
777 |
> |
778 |
> Oops, after some research on Wikipedia, it looks like that last bit is |
779 |
> wrong. Intel still appears to be making Itanium parts (but nobody |
780 |
> but HP cares). |
781 |
> |
782 |
> Itanium is no longer supported by Microsoft, RedHat, Oracle, SAP, and |
783 |
> various other SW vendors (including Intel). |
784 |
> |
785 |
> Most of the old Itanium server vendors (e.g. IBM, SGI, Dell) have also |
786 |
> abandonded Itanium. It seems HP is still sticking with it and is, in |
787 |
> fact, has paid Intel over half a billion USD to keep it alive -- small |
788 |
> wonder HP is circling the drain. |
789 |
> |
790 |
> |
791 |
> |
792 |
> |
793 |
>> --- /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/mldonkey-3.1.0.ebuild 2012-02-24 |
794 |
>> 16:01:22.000000000 -0500 |
795 |
>> +++ ./mldonkey-3.1.3.ebuild 2012-09-14 09:47:39.613742734 -0400 |
796 |
>> @@ -92,7 +92,13 @@ |
797 |
>> |
798 |
>> src_compile() { |
799 |
>> export OCAMLRUNPARAM="l=256M" |
800 |
>> - emake || die "emake failed" |
801 |
>> + |
802 |
>> + local my_extra_libs |
803 |
>> + if use gd; then |
804 |
>> + my_extra_libs="-lpng15" |
805 |
>> + fi |
806 |
>> + |
807 |
>> + emake LIBS="${my_extra_libs}" || die "emake failed" |
808 |
>> |
809 |
>> if ! use guionly; then |
810 |
>> emake utils || die "emake utils failed" |
811 |
>> |
812 |
>> |
813 |
> Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. |
814 |
> |
815 |
> Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. |
816 |
> |
817 |
> But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a init.d |
818 |
> script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are almost the |
819 |
> same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any differences |
820 |
> related to that. |
821 |
> |
822 |
> Regards. |
823 |
> |
824 |
> -- |
825 |
> Alexandre Paz Mena |
826 |
> |
827 |
> Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was |
828 |
> 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave |
829 |
> normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. |
830 |
> |
831 |
> I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. |
832 |
> |
833 |
> I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after |
834 |
> a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` |
835 |
> killed my computer. :-) |
836 |
> |
837 |
> Dan |
838 |
> |
839 |
> On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: |
840 |
> > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: |
841 |
> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> wrote: |
842 |
> >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x |
843 |
> >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ... |
844 |
> >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0. A |
845 |
> quote: |
846 |
> >> |
847 |
> >> So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we |
848 |
> >> have the usual two thirds driver |
849 |
> >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is |
850 |
> >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a |
851 |
> >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at |
852 |
> >> all like that. |
853 |
> >> |
854 |
> >> You can read his entire letter here: |
855 |
> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 |
856 |
> >> |
857 |
> >> Chris |
858 |
> > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard |
859 |
> > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff |
860 |
> > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do |
861 |
> > anything.) This affected many users over many distros. |
862 |
> > |
863 |
> > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??, |
864 |
> > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that |
865 |
> > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting |
866 |
> > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on. |
867 |
> > |
868 |
> > Dan |
869 |
> |
870 |
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 12:24:37 Philipp Kraus wrote: |
871 |
> > On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said: |
872 |
> > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote |
873 |
> > > |
874 |
> > >> Hello, |
875 |
> > >> |
876 |
> > >> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with |
877 |
> > >> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now |
878 |
> > >> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me |
879 |
> > >> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and |
880 |
> > >> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules |
881 |
> > >> |
882 |
> > > I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo. I use |
883 |
> > > |
884 |
> > > it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down. First |
885 |
> > > question... is your kernel properly configured? You need to select the |
886 |
> > > USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option. In "make menuconfig" the |
887 |
> > > path is... |
888 |
> > > Device Drivers ---> |
889 |
> > > |
890 |
> > > [*] USB support ---> |
891 |
> > > |
892 |
> > > <*> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support |
893 |
> > |
894 |
> > Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my |
895 |
> > kernel, everything works fine except |
896 |
> > minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT |
897 |
> > command the modem response |
898 |
> |
899 |
> Hi Phil, |
900 |
> |
901 |
> I'm going from memory, so I may not have this 100% correct and I have no |
902 |
> modem |
903 |
> to hand to try it any more, plus what I'm going to say used to be the case |
904 |
> with a serial connection to a modem. I never had a USB modem to know if it |
905 |
> would be the same. |
906 |
> |
907 |
> If you have a DCD line between the modem and the PC, you should get the |
908 |
> status |
909 |
> of the DCD signal in lower case "online/offline". |
910 |
> |
911 |
> If the cable between the modem and the PC has no control wire, then minicom |
912 |
> would use an internal simulation of the DCD status and show the status in |
913 |
> capital letters "ONLINE/OFFLINE". In that case you will only get "ONLINE" |
914 |
> if |
915 |
> minicom can detect that you have enabled the modem, perhaps because data |
916 |
> are |
917 |
> flowing back & forth. |
918 |
> |
919 |
> You may want to tweak your flow-control options and see if the on/offline |
920 |
> signal works when a fax is being sent/received. |
921 |
> |
922 |
> HTH. |
923 |
> -- |
924 |
> Regards, |
925 |
> Mick |
926 |
> |
927 |
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 17:28:26 Daniel Frey wrote: |
928 |
> > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was |
929 |
> > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave |
930 |
> > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. |
931 |
> > |
932 |
> > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. |
933 |
> > |
934 |
> > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after |
935 |
> > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` |
936 |
> > killed my computer. :-) |
937 |
> > |
938 |
> > Dan |
939 |
> > |
940 |
> > On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: |
941 |
> > > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: |
942 |
> > >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> |
943 |
> wrote: |
944 |
> > >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x |
945 |
> > >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ... |
946 |
> > >> |
947 |
> > >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0. A |
948 |
> > >> quote: |
949 |
> > >> |
950 |
> > >> So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we |
951 |
> > >> have the usual two thirds driver |
952 |
> > >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is |
953 |
> > >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a |
954 |
> > >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at |
955 |
> > >> all like that. |
956 |
> > >> |
957 |
> > >> You can read his entire letter here: |
958 |
> > >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 |
959 |
> > >> |
960 |
> > >> Chris |
961 |
> > > |
962 |
> > > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard |
963 |
> > > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff |
964 |
> > > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do |
965 |
> > > anything.) This affected many users over many distros. |
966 |
> > > |
967 |
> > > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??, |
968 |
> > > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that |
969 |
> > > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting |
970 |
> > > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on. |
971 |
> > > |
972 |
> > > Dan |
973 |
> |
974 |
> I was also replacing capacitors last weekend. It is a good idea to upgrade |
975 |
> them if there are alternatives of a higher maximum temperature as they will |
976 |
> probably last longer. A belts & braces approach is to add another/larger |
977 |
> case |
978 |
> fan to keep the in-case temperatures lower. |
979 |
> -- |
980 |
> Regards, |
981 |
> Mick |
982 |
> |
983 |
> Daniel Frey wrote: |
984 |
> > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was |
985 |
> > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave |
986 |
> > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. |
987 |
> > |
988 |
> > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. |
989 |
> > |
990 |
> > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after |
991 |
> > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` |
992 |
> > killed my computer. :-) |
993 |
> > |
994 |
> > Dan |
995 |
> > |
996 |
> > |
997 |
> |
998 |
> *cough cough* Maybe you need a better or more powerful power supply? |
999 |
> If that cap went bad, you could have some others that are ready for the |
1000 |
> same problem. I'd at least be on the look out for a new P/S. The next |
1001 |
> one could go out and take a mobo or something with it. That would be |
1002 |
> bad for sure. |
1003 |
> |
1004 |
> Just a thought. |
1005 |
> |
1006 |
> Dale |
1007 |
> |
1008 |
> :-) :-) |
1009 |
> |
1010 |
> -- |
1011 |
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
1012 |
> how you interpreted my words! |
1013 |
> |
1014 |
> |
1015 |
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote: |
1016 |
> > I've got my new machine basically habitable with a few small problems. |
1017 |
> > |
1018 |
> > (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ; |
1019 |
> > on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop |
1020 |
> 8 . |
1021 |
> > There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed. |
1022 |
> |
1023 |
> Perhaps something like: |
1024 |
> |
1025 |
> [app] (name=gkrellm) |
1026 |
> [Workspace] {0} |
1027 |
> [end] |
1028 |
> |
1029 |
> instead of: |
1030 |
> |
1031 |
> [Workspace] {7} |
1032 |
> |
1033 |
> in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file? Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in |
1034 |
> there too? Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause |
1035 |
> this symptom, so have a look in there just in case. |
1036 |
> |
1037 |
> |
1038 |
> > (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal : |
1039 |
> > IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it, |
1040 |
> > but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past. |
1041 |
> > |
1042 |
> > (3) I have 4 heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'. |
1043 |
> > Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ? |
1044 |
> |
1045 |
> Emerge lm_sensors and then run sensors to see what's what. |
1046 |
> |
1047 |
> I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU and the it87 |
1048 |
> the |
1049 |
> chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI? |
1050 |
> |
1051 |
> |
1052 |
> > The AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz is taking c 3/8 as long |
1053 |
> > to compile eg Firefox or GCC as this machine's Intel Core2 Duo ; |
1054 |
> > they also seem to be using less Portage tempspace on disk. |
1055 |
> > The variable-rate fan is very impressive, ranging 2200 - 6800 rpm . |
1056 |
> |
1057 |
> -- |
1058 |
> Regards, |
1059 |
> Mick |
1060 |
> |
1061 |
> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally |
1062 |
> want to install gentoo. I have installed gentoo several times but this |
1063 |
> is my first with an SSD. |
1064 |
> |
1065 |
> Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other |
1066 |
> partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk). |
1067 |
> |
1068 |
> I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I |
1069 |
> essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are |
1070 |
> convenient to have if you need service from dell). |
1071 |
> |
1072 |
> In my current system, I have |
1073 |
> |
1074 |
> /root "native partition" |
1075 |
> /usr lvm2 |
1076 |
> /local lvm2 |
1077 |
> /var lvm2 |
1078 |
> /tmp lvm2 |
1079 |
> /opt lvm2 |
1080 |
> /a lvm2 |
1081 |
> |
1082 |
> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the |
1083 |
> oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. |
1084 |
> |
1085 |
> Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my |
1086 |
> partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it. I believe combining root |
1087 |
> and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal. |
1088 |
> |
1089 |
> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, |
1090 |
> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. |
1091 |
> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back |
1092 |
> because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate |
1093 |
> /boot? |
1094 |
> |
1095 |
> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It |
1096 |
> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the |
1097 |
> following partitioning seem OK? |
1098 |
> |
1099 |
> Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes |
1100 |
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors |
1101 |
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
1102 |
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
1103 |
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
1104 |
> Disk identifier: 0x58737050 |
1105 |
> |
1106 |
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
1107 |
> /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility |
1108 |
> /dev/sda2 81920 1622015 770048 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
1109 |
> /dev/sda3 1622016 64536575 31457280 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
1110 |
> /dev/sda4 64536576 500118191 217790808 5 Extended |
1111 |
> /dev/sda5 * 64538624 127453183 31457280 83 Linux |
1112 |
> /dev/sda6 127455232 131649535 2097152 82 Linux swap / |
1113 |
> Solaris |
1114 |
> /dev/sda7 131651584 341366783 104857600 8e Linux LVM |
1115 |
> |
1116 |
> thanks, |
1117 |
> allan |
1118 |
> |
1119 |
> I'm having trouble with the pair of packages bibletime-2.9.1 and |
1120 |
> clucene-2.3.3.4-r3, which were both recently stabilized. The pair of |
1121 |
> packages emerges without problem. On launch of bibletime from a terminal |
1122 |
> command, a blank splashscreen appears, followed in a number of seconds by |
1123 |
> a reported segmentation fault. Reverting to the older pair bibletime-2.3.3 |
1124 |
> and clucene-0.9.21b-r1 restores proper functionality. The newer stable |
1125 |
> bibletime will not emerge with the older stable clucene, and the older |
1126 |
> stable bibletime will not emerge with the newer stable clucene. An attempt |
1127 |
> with the testing version clucene-2.3.3.4-r4 did not make an apparent |
1128 |
> difference. |
1129 |
> |
1130 |
> I am seeing the same behavior on an amd64 machine and an x86 machine that |
1131 |
> are generally similarly configured. I'd like to see if anyone else has |
1132 |
> observed this problem, or if I need to be looking for something specific to |
1133 |
> my machines. |
1134 |
> |
1135 |
> Thanks, |
1136 |
> Gene |
1137 |
> |
1138 |
> 120915 Mick wrote: |
1139 |
> > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote: |
1140 |
> >> (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ; |
1141 |
> >> on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop |
1142 |
> 8 . |
1143 |
> >> There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed. |
1144 |
> > Perhaps something like: |
1145 |
> > |
1146 |
> > [app] (name=gkrellm) |
1147 |
> > [Workspace] {0} |
1148 |
> > [end] |
1149 |
> > |
1150 |
> > instead of: |
1151 |
> > |
1152 |
> > [Workspace] {7} |
1153 |
> > |
1154 |
> > in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file ? |
1155 |
> > Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in there too ? |
1156 |
> > Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause this, |
1157 |
> > so have a look in there just in case. |
1158 |
> |
1159 |
> Yes, I looked in those places, but there doesn't seem anything odd: |
1160 |
> |
1161 |
> [app] (name=gkrellm) (class=Gkrellm) |
1162 |
> [Workspace] {7} |
1163 |
> [Position] (UPPERLEFT) {0 0} |
1164 |
> [Close] {yes} |
1165 |
> [end] |
1166 |
> |
1167 |
> However, I have a custom 'apps-pp' file too, |
1168 |
> which mb getting defined in the new machine's 'init' file. |
1169 |
> I've made a note to check tomorrow. |
1170 |
> |
1171 |
> >> (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal : |
1172 |
> >> IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it, |
1173 |
> >> but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past. |
1174 |
> |
1175 |
> I've found the note buried in my notes from the 2007 installation : |
1176 |
> it needs a file /dev/fonts/local.conf with various settings, esp |
1177 |
> |
1178 |
> <match target="font"> |
1179 |
> <test name="family"> |
1180 |
> <string>Luxi Mono</string> |
1181 |
> </test> |
1182 |
> <test name="pixelsize" compare="less"> |
1183 |
> <double>24</double> |
1184 |
> </test> |
1185 |
> <edit name="hinting"> |
1186 |
> <bool>false</bool> |
1187 |
> </edit> |
1188 |
> </match> |
1189 |
> |
1190 |
> HTH anyone else who gets ugly fonts in a new box. |
1191 |
> |
1192 |
> >> (3) I have 4 heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'. |
1193 |
> >> Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ? |
1194 |
> > I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU |
1195 |
> > and the it87 the chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI? |
1196 |
> |
1197 |
> Well, I can guess equally well (smile). When compiling Firefox & |
1198 |
> LibreOffice, |
1199 |
> the 'it87-3' reached 68 C once, while the other 3 were lower ; |
1200 |
> all 4 CPUs were working at 99 % at the time. |
1201 |
> IIRC the displayed temperatures are not very accurate: when not active, |
1202 |
> 3 of the values were well below room temperature, which sb impossible. |
1203 |
> |
1204 |
> I have the impression that the rate of CPU work is being controlled |
1205 |
> in order to keep the temperature safely below the cut-off point |
1206 |
> which I've set in BIOS, ie 70 C ; also, the variable fan is very |
1207 |
> impressive. |
1208 |
> If so, it must be due to the combination of AMD + Gigabyte (mobo). |
1209 |
> |
1210 |
> Thanks for the advice. (1) must be fairly easy, when I find out why. |
1211 |
> Any further info re (3) wb very welcome. |
1212 |
> |
1213 |
> -- |
1214 |
> ========================,,============================================ |
1215 |
> SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb |
1216 |
> ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto |
1217 |
> TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca |
1218 |
> |
1219 |
> |
1220 |
> Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1221 |
> |
1222 |
>> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally |
1223 |
>> want to install gentoo. I have installed gentoo several times but this |
1224 |
>> is my first with an SSD. |
1225 |
>> |
1226 |
>> Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other |
1227 |
>> partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk). |
1228 |
>> |
1229 |
>> I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I |
1230 |
>> essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are |
1231 |
>> convenient to have if you need service from dell). |
1232 |
>> |
1233 |
>> In my current system, I have |
1234 |
>> |
1235 |
>> /root "native partition" |
1236 |
>> /usr lvm2 |
1237 |
>> /local lvm2 |
1238 |
>> /var lvm2 |
1239 |
>> /tmp lvm2 |
1240 |
>> /opt lvm2 |
1241 |
>> /a lvm2 |
1242 |
>> |
1243 |
>> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the |
1244 |
>> oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. |
1245 |
>> |
1246 |
>> Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my |
1247 |
>> partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it. I believe combining root |
1248 |
>> and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal. |
1249 |
>> |
1250 |
>> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, |
1251 |
>> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. |
1252 |
>> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back |
1253 |
>> because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate |
1254 |
>> /boot? |
1255 |
>> |
1256 |
> |
1257 |
> It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most things |
1258 |
> related to Unix, retrospective justifications are commonplace. I think it |
1259 |
> made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than it does today. Back then, |
1260 |
> ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and live-distros alike. Nowadays, |
1261 |
> it generally doesn't matter and can be a source of confusion (I always |
1262 |
> thought that the self-referencing boot symlink was silly). There are some |
1263 |
> situations where it could afford more flexibility. However, I no longer |
1264 |
> specify a separate /boot unless there is a clear case for doing so. |
1265 |
> |
1266 |
> |
1267 |
>> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It |
1268 |
>> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the |
1269 |
>> following partitioning seem OK? |
1270 |
>> |
1271 |
>> Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes |
1272 |
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors |
1273 |
>> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
1274 |
>> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
1275 |
>> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
1276 |
>> Disk identifier: 0x58737050 |
1277 |
>> |
1278 |
>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
1279 |
>> /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility |
1280 |
>> /dev/sda2 81920 1622015 770048 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
1281 |
>> /dev/sda3 1622016 64536575 31457280 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
1282 |
>> /dev/sda4 64536576 500118191 217790808 5 Extended |
1283 |
>> /dev/sda5 * 64538624 127453183 31457280 83 Linux |
1284 |
>> /dev/sda6 127455232 131649535 2097152 82 Linux swap / |
1285 |
>> Solaris |
1286 |
>> /dev/sda7 131651584 341366783 104857600 8e Linux LVM |
1287 |
>> |
1288 |
> |
1289 |
> These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not that |
1290 |
> it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for tools such |
1291 |
> as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will generally do the right |
1292 |
> thing based on the information exposed by sysfs. |
1293 |
> |
1294 |
> Cheers, |
1295 |
> |
1296 |
> --Kerin |
1297 |
> |
1298 |
> 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1299 |
> > I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD |
1300 |
> > and naturally want to install Gentoo. This is my first with an SSD. |
1301 |
> > I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably |
1302 |
> |
1303 |
> That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 . |
1304 |
> M$ has 2 uses : when you need to test things with your ISP, |
1305 |
> who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ; |
1306 |
> when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !). |
1307 |
> |
1308 |
> > My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease |
1309 |
> > the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. |
1310 |
> |
1311 |
> Now we've moved to my current installation on my newly-built desktop box, |
1312 |
> my 1st SSD too. It's working very well & I've dropped LVM. |
1313 |
> My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used): |
1314 |
> |
1315 |
> SSD sda 1 boot 0,6 0,1 0,06 /boot |
1316 |
> 2 root 30 20 3,55 / incl : opt usr var |
1317 |
> 3 swap 4 4 -- swap |
1318 |
> 5 home 30 20 6,84 /home |
1319 |
> 6 portage 15 20 3,43 /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3) |
1320 |
> -- var -- 5 1,4 /var |
1321 |
> 7 z 41 24 1,5 /z |
1322 |
> total 121 93,1 19,45 |
1323 |
> |
1324 |
> tmpfs -- -- -- /tmp |
1325 |
> |
1326 |
> I've put /usr/local + /usr/src on my HDD, which your laptop lacks, |
1327 |
> but you've got 128 GB more space on your SSD than I have |
1328 |
> & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume, |
1329 |
> so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things. |
1330 |
> ( /z is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage tempdir). |
1331 |
> NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using. |
1332 |
> |
1333 |
> > I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. |
1334 |
> > It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically. |
1335 |
> |
1336 |
> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. |
1337 |
> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly |
1338 |
> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. |
1339 |
> |
1340 |
> -- |
1341 |
> ========================,,============================================ |
1342 |
> SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb |
1343 |
> ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto |
1344 |
> TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca |
1345 |
> |
1346 |
> |
1347 |
> Philip Webb wrote: |
1348 |
> |
1349 |
>> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. |
1350 |
>> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly |
1351 |
>> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. |
1352 |
>> |
1353 |
> |
1354 |
> Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1, long before the |
1355 |
> Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the sand. Regarding the |
1356 |
> available partitioning tools, fdisk from util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe. |
1357 |
> Gentoo was extremely slow on the uptake in getting this issue resolved but |
1358 |
> that's water under the bridge now. Any release media from around the time |
1359 |
> bug #356941 was closed will be safe. |
1360 |
> |
1361 |
> I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion: |
1362 |
> |
1363 |
> echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good |
1364 |
> |
1365 |
> Cheers, |
1366 |
> |
1367 |
> --Kerin |
1368 |
> |
1369 |
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: |
1370 |
> |
1371 |
> > Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1372 |
> >> |
1373 |
> >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, |
1374 |
> >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. |
1375 |
> >> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back |
1376 |
> >> because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate |
1377 |
> >> /boot? |
1378 |
> > |
1379 |
> > It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most |
1380 |
> > things related to Unix, retrospective justifications are |
1381 |
> > commonplace. I think it made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than |
1382 |
> > it does today. Back then, ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and |
1383 |
> > live-distros alike. Nowadays, it generally doesn't matter and can be a |
1384 |
> > source of confusion (I always thought that the self-referencing boot |
1385 |
> > symlink was silly). There are some situations where it could afford |
1386 |
> > more flexibility. However, I no longer specify a separate /boot unless |
1387 |
> > there is a clear case for doing so. |
1388 |
> |
1389 |
> Thanks. I will do the same |
1390 |
> > |
1391 |
> >> |
1392 |
> >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It |
1393 |
> >> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the |
1394 |
> >> following partitioning seem OK? |
1395 |
> >> |
1396 |
> > These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not |
1397 |
> > that it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for |
1398 |
> > tools such as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will |
1399 |
> > generally do the right thing based on the information exposed by |
1400 |
> > sysfs. |
1401 |
> |
1402 |
> I was actually thinking about just that as I will be using mkfs.ext4 and |
1403 |
> many of the lvm tools, so thanks in advance. |
1404 |
> |
1405 |
> allan |
1406 |
> |
1407 |
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Philip Webb wrote: |
1408 |
> |
1409 |
> > 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1410 |
> >> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD |
1411 |
> >> and naturally want to install Gentoo. This is my first with an SSD. |
1412 |
> >> I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably |
1413 |
> > |
1414 |
> > That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 . |
1415 |
> > M$ has 2 uses : when you need to test things with your ISP, |
1416 |
> > who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ; |
1417 |
> > when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !). |
1418 |
> |
1419 |
> I don't play bridge but do find windows also useful when dealing with |
1420 |
> dell if there are any hardware issues. |
1421 |
> |
1422 |
> >> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease |
1423 |
> >> the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. |
1424 |
> > |
1425 |
> > It's working very well & I've dropped LVM. |
1426 |
> |
1427 |
> I toyed with that thought after the udev business, but eventually |
1428 |
> decided to stay with LVM. |
1429 |
> |
1430 |
> > My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used): |
1431 |
> > |
1432 |
> > SSD sda 1 boot 0,6 0,1 0,06 /boot |
1433 |
> > 2 root 30 20 3,55 / incl : opt usr var |
1434 |
> > 3 swap 4 4 -- swap |
1435 |
> > 5 home 30 20 6,84 /home |
1436 |
> > 6 portage 15 20 3,43 /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3) |
1437 |
> > -- var -- 5 1,4 /var |
1438 |
> > 7 z 41 24 1,5 /z |
1439 |
> > total 121 93,1 19,45 |
1440 |
> > |
1441 |
> > tmpfs -- -- -- /tmp |
1442 |
> |
1443 |
> I am embarrassed to say I had trouble reading the above, embarrassed |
1444 |
> because it show provincial habits. I didn't even consider that , could |
1445 |
> be a decimal point. Now it is clear |
1446 |
> |
1447 |
> > I've put /usr/local + /usr/src on my HDD, which your laptop lacks, |
1448 |
> > but you've got 128 GB more space on your SSD than I have |
1449 |
> > & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume, |
1450 |
> > so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things. |
1451 |
> |
1452 |
> Correct. |
1453 |
> |
1454 |
> > ( /z is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage |
1455 |
> tempdir). |
1456 |
> > NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using. |
1457 |
> |
1458 |
> I have the equivalent on my current system and will probably carry it |
1459 |
> over as well. |
1460 |
> |
1461 |
> >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. |
1462 |
> >> It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically. |
1463 |
> > |
1464 |
> > Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. |
1465 |
> > I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly |
1466 |
> > or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. |
1467 |
> |
1468 |
> No for dell, yes for microsoft, yes for fdisk (at least emacs calc says |
1469 |
> so). |
1470 |
> |
1471 |
> thanks, |
1472 |
> allan |
1473 |
> |
1474 |
> On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1475 |
> > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: |
1476 |
> > |
1477 |
> > > Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1478 |
> > >> |
1479 |
> > >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr |
1480 |
> combined, |
1481 |
> > >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot |
1482 |
> partition. |
1483 |
> ... |
1484 |
> |
1485 |
> Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the |
1486 |
> relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems? In particular, |
1487 |
> it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to |
1488 |
> boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned. |
1489 |
> |
1490 |
> Would like to sort it out as my new macbook air with an SSD from work |
1491 |
> should be arriving soon and I intend going separate /usr and LVM/btrfs |
1492 |
> for all except the root and boot partitions. |
1493 |
> |
1494 |
> BillK |
1495 |
> |
1496 |
> |
1497 |
> |
1498 |
> |
1499 |
> |
1500 |
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: |
1501 |
> |
1502 |
> > Philip Webb wrote: |
1503 |
> >> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. |
1504 |
> >> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly |
1505 |
> >> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. |
1506 |
> > |
1507 |
> > Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1, |
1508 |
> |
1509 |
> I remember the bad days (me et al) when it was a pain to get the windows |
1510 |
> partition shrunk and willing to accept a grub mbr. I always allocated a |
1511 |
> whole day (alone, since I would be grouchy) to do that and often needed |
1512 |
> more time. I think it was around vista, where it just became easy. It |
1513 |
> was certainly easy with the current windows 7. |
1514 |
> |
1515 |
> > long before the Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the |
1516 |
> > sand. Regarding the available partitioning tools, fdisk from |
1517 |
> > util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe. Gentoo was extremely slow on the |
1518 |
> > uptake in getting this issue resolved but that's water under the |
1519 |
> > bridge now. Any release media from around the time bug #356941 was |
1520 |
> > closed will be safe. |
1521 |
> |
1522 |
> I used a live CD from nov 3 2011 |
1523 |
> |
1524 |
> livecd ~ # uname -a |
1525 |
> Linux livecd 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 12:50:42 UTC 2011 x86_64 |
1526 |
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
1527 |
> |
1528 |
> > I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion: |
1529 |
> > |
1530 |
> > echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good |
1531 |
> |
1532 |
> right. I used emacs calc. |
1533 |
> |
1534 |
> allan |
1535 |
> |
1536 |
> William Kenworthy wrote: |
1537 |
> |
1538 |
>> On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1539 |
>> |
1540 |
>>> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: |
1541 |
>>> |
1542 |
>>> Allan Gottlieb wrote: |
1543 |
>>>> |
1544 |
>>>>> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr |
1545 |
>>>>> combined, |
1546 |
>>>>> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot |
1547 |
>>>>> partition. |
1548 |
>>>>> |
1549 |
>>>> ... |
1550 |
>> |
1551 |
>> Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the |
1552 |
>> relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems? In particular, |
1553 |
>> it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to |
1554 |
>> boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned. |
1555 |
>> |
1556 |
> |
1557 |
> There's no bother whatsoever entailed with current release media. If you |
1558 |
> are setting all of this up on commodity hardware, it's all taken care of |
1559 |
> for you. |
1560 |
> |
1561 |
> So as to satisfy your curiosity, one exception I have encountered is with |
1562 |
> systems that use LSI MegaRAID hardware. In this case, the information |
1563 |
> required for tools such as pvcreate and mkfs.xfs to function optimally is |
1564 |
> not conveyed to userspace. In the unlikely event that you need to take |
1565 |
> matters into your own hands, you may find this informative: |
1566 |
> |
1567 |
> http://www.**mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/**06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-* |
1568 |
> *disk-raid-the-theory/<http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-disk-raid-the-theory/> |
1569 |
> |
1570 |
> Cheers, |
1571 |
> |
1572 |
> --Kerin |
1573 |
> |
1574 |
> On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: |
1575 |
> > |
1576 |
> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. |
1577 |
> > |
1578 |
> > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. |
1579 |
> > |
1580 |
> > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a |
1581 |
> > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are |
1582 |
> > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any |
1583 |
> > differences related to that. |
1584 |
> |
1585 |
> The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory. |
1586 |
> You should see the mldonkey one here: |
1587 |
> |
1588 |
> $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/ |
1589 |
> total 12K |
1590 |
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch |
1591 |
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8 |
1592 |
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd |
1593 |
> |
1594 |
> The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this: |
1595 |
> |
1596 |
> ... |
1597 |
> newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey |
1598 |
> |
1599 |
> |
1600 |
> A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the |
1601 |
> "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's |
1602 |
> a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the |
1603 |
> dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The |
1604 |
> usual way to handle this is with e.g. |
1605 |
> |
1606 |
> newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work" |
1607 |
> |
1608 |
> The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to |
1609 |
> install the init script. |
1610 |
> |
1611 |
> Hi, |
1612 |
> strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): |
1613 |
> it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped |
1614 |
> responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), |
1615 |
> all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. |
1616 |
> Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few |
1617 |
> "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache |
1618 |
> was already unable to send reply. |
1619 |
> |
1620 |
> Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it |
1621 |
> "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have |
1622 |
> about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my |
1623 |
> config so that apache never runs out of memory? |
1624 |
> |
1625 |
> server-info: |
1626 |
> Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 |
1627 |
> MPM Name: Prefork |
1628 |
> MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes |
1629 |
> Module Name: prefork.c |
1630 |
> 31: StartServers 5 |
1631 |
> 32: MinSpareServers 5 |
1632 |
> 33: MaxSpareServers 10 |
1633 |
> 34: MaxClients 150 |
1634 |
> |
1635 |
> Jarry |
1636 |
> |
1637 |
> -- |
1638 |
> ______________________________**______________________________**___ |
1639 |
> This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! |
1640 |
> Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. |
1641 |
> |
1642 |
> Ok, thank you very much! |
1643 |
> |
1644 |
> Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right? |
1645 |
> |
1646 |
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com>wrote: |
1647 |
> |
1648 |
>> On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: |
1649 |
>> > |
1650 |
>> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. |
1651 |
>> > |
1652 |
>> > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. |
1653 |
>> > |
1654 |
>> > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a |
1655 |
>> > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are |
1656 |
>> > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any |
1657 |
>> > differences related to that. |
1658 |
>> |
1659 |
>> The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory. |
1660 |
>> You should see the mldonkey one here: |
1661 |
>> |
1662 |
>> $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/ |
1663 |
>> total 12K |
1664 |
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch |
1665 |
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8 |
1666 |
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd |
1667 |
>> |
1668 |
>> The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this: |
1669 |
>> |
1670 |
>> ... |
1671 |
>> newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey |
1672 |
>> |
1673 |
>> |
1674 |
>> A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the |
1675 |
>> "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's |
1676 |
>> a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the |
1677 |
>> dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The |
1678 |
>> usual way to handle this is with e.g. |
1679 |
>> |
1680 |
>> newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work" |
1681 |
>> |
1682 |
>> The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to |
1683 |
>> install the init script. |
1684 |
>> |
1685 |
>> |
1686 |
> |
1687 |
> |
1688 |
> -- |
1689 |
> Alexandre Paz Mena |
1690 |
> |
1691 |
> Hi all, |
1692 |
> I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing |
1693 |
> Samba on. When I do: |
1694 |
> |
1695 |
> emerge -NuD --pretend samba |
1696 |
> |
1697 |
> I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, |
1698 |
> V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also |
1699 |
> stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and |
1700 |
> still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version, |
1701 |
> V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python, |
1702 |
> V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow |
1703 |
> Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have |
1704 |
> "-python" set. |
1705 |
> |
1706 |
> Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does |
1707 |
> anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in? I |
1708 |
> haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully someone has |
1709 |
> come across this problem before. |
1710 |
> |
1711 |
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated, |
1712 |
> |
1713 |
> Andrew |
1714 |
> |
1715 |
> On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au> wrote: |
1716 |
> > |
1717 |
> > Hi all, |
1718 |
> > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing |
1719 |
> Samba on. When I do: |
1720 |
> > |
1721 |
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba |
1722 |
> > |
1723 |
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, |
1724 |
> V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also |
1725 |
> stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and |
1726 |
> still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version, |
1727 |
> V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python, |
1728 |
> V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow |
1729 |
> Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have |
1730 |
> "-python" set. |
1731 |
> > |
1732 |
> > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. |
1733 |
> Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought |
1734 |
> in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully |
1735 |
> someone has come across this problem before. |
1736 |
> > |
1737 |
> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, |
1738 |
> > |
1739 |
> > Andrew |
1740 |
> > |
1741 |
> |
1742 |
> Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has |
1743 |
> changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts. |
1744 |
> |
1745 |
> So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2. |
1746 |
> |
1747 |
> When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably see |
1748 |
> something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line. The S |
1749 |
> stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause samba or one |
1750 |
> of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts. |
1751 |
> |
1752 |
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards |
1753 |
> |
1754 |
> Randolph Maaßen |
1755 |
> |
1756 |
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800 |
1757 |
> Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> wrote: |
1758 |
> |
1759 |
> > Hi all, |
1760 |
> > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing |
1761 |
> > Samba on. When I do: |
1762 |
> > |
1763 |
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba |
1764 |
> > |
1765 |
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including |
1766 |
> > Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. |
1767 |
> > I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and |
1768 |
> > that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python |
1769 |
> > - the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use |
1770 |
> > and it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables |
1771 |
> > for the packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they |
1772 |
> > either don't want python or already have "-python" set. |
1773 |
> > |
1774 |
> > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. |
1775 |
> > Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be |
1776 |
> > brought in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as |
1777 |
> > hopefully someone has come across this problem before. |
1778 |
> > |
1779 |
> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, |
1780 |
> > |
1781 |
> > Andrew |
1782 |
> > |
1783 |
> |
1784 |
> Python is slotted (see gentoo docs for more info on SLOTS). |
1785 |
> |
1786 |
> Samba is not downgrading python, it is asking for python-2.7 to be |
1787 |
> installed alongside python-3.2 (so you will then have both). |
1788 |
> |
1789 |
> Just accept what portage says and let it do it;s thing - there are many |
1790 |
> packages out there that are not ported to python-3 yet so you almost |
1791 |
> certainly are going to need python-2.7 at some point anyway. |
1792 |
> |
1793 |
> -- |
1794 |
> Alan McKinnon |
1795 |
> alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
1796 |
> |
1797 |
> |
1798 |
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: |
1799 |
> |
1800 |
> > I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages |
1801 |
> > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python |
1802 |
> > or already have "-python" set. |
1803 |
> |
1804 |
> You've already had a reply about the slotted nature of python, but you |
1805 |
> also need to understand that USE flags are not dependency lists. USE |
1806 |
> flags cover optional features, if a package has an option python module, |
1807 |
> bindings or scripts, a USE flag may determine whether they are installed. |
1808 |
> But if a package needs python2, no amount of fudging with USE flags will |
1809 |
> change that fact. |
1810 |
> |
1811 |
> |
1812 |
> -- |
1813 |
> Neil Bothwick |
1814 |
> |
1815 |
> Programmer (n): A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing |
1816 |
> with inanimate objects. |
1817 |
> |
1818 |
> Am Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800 |
1819 |
> schrieb Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>: |
1820 |
> |
1821 |
> > Hi all, |
1822 |
> |
1823 |
> Hi, |
1824 |
> |
1825 |
> > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing |
1826 |
> Samba on. |
1827 |
> > When I do: |
1828 |
> > |
1829 |
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba |
1830 |
> > |
1831 |
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, |
1832 |
> > V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also |
1833 |
> > stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and |
1834 |
> > still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older |
1835 |
> > version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still |
1836 |
> > wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages |
1837 |
> > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python |
1838 |
> > or already have "-python" set. |
1839 |
> > |
1840 |
> > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does |
1841 |
> > anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in? |
1842 |
> > I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully |
1843 |
> > someone has come across this problem before. |
1844 |
> |
1845 |
> First of all: Python 2 and 3 are (partly) incompatible versions of the |
1846 |
> language. |
1847 |
> They can be installed in parallel in different slots (the emerge output |
1848 |
> will |
1849 |
> have contained "NS" at one point, for "New Slot"). So you are not so much |
1850 |
> downgrading python as installing an older version in addition to the |
1851 |
> current |
1852 |
> version. Although "older" and "newer" are misleading, since they have both |
1853 |
> been |
1854 |
> under active development in parallel since Python 3 was released. |
1855 |
> |
1856 |
> Second: you can use the "-t" (or "--tree") option of emerge to get a tree |
1857 |
> view |
1858 |
> of the dependencies, so that you can see what exactly is pulling in |
1859 |
> python-2.7.3. But it sounds like some dependency of samba has a hard |
1860 |
> dependency |
1861 |
> on Python 2, so you probably cannot control it. |
1862 |
> |
1863 |
> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, |
1864 |
> > |
1865 |
> > Andrew |
1866 |
> |
1867 |
> HTH |
1868 |
> -- |
1869 |
> Marc Joliet |
1870 |
> -- |
1871 |
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we |
1872 |
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup |
1873 |
> |
1874 |
> On 09/16/12 19:19, Randolph Maaßen wrote: |
1875 |
> |
1876 |
>> On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au |
1877 |
>> <mailto:agl@×××××××.au>> wrote: |
1878 |
>> > |
1879 |
>> > Hi all, |
1880 |
>> > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing |
1881 |
>> Samba on. When I do: |
1882 |
>> > |
1883 |
>> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba |
1884 |
>> > |
1885 |
>> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including |
1886 |
>> Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. |
1887 |
>> I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and |
1888 |
>> that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - |
1889 |
>> the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and |
1890 |
>> it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the |
1891 |
>> packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't |
1892 |
>> want python or already have "-python" set. |
1893 |
>> > |
1894 |
>> > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. |
1895 |
>> Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought |
1896 |
>> in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully |
1897 |
>> someone has come across this problem before. |
1898 |
>> > |
1899 |
>> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, |
1900 |
>> > |
1901 |
>> > Andrew |
1902 |
>> > |
1903 |
>> |
1904 |
>> Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has |
1905 |
>> changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts. |
1906 |
>> |
1907 |
>> So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2. |
1908 |
>> |
1909 |
>> When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably |
1910 |
>> see something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line. |
1911 |
>> The S stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause |
1912 |
>> samba or one of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts. |
1913 |
>> |
1914 |
> |
1915 |
> Randolph, |
1916 |
> You have guessed correctly, I get NS. But to me, the question is |
1917 |
> why do I even need python at all for something that is a file sharing |
1918 |
> daemon? I've turned off CUPS etc etc, I just want file sharing to the M$ |
1919 |
> world, not all the other fluff. I suppose I'll have to have a look at the |
1920 |
> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in the |
1921 |
> first place. |
1922 |
> |
1923 |
> Andrew |
1924 |
> |
1925 |
> |
1926 |
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: |
1927 |
> |
1928 |
> > I suppose I'll have to have a look at the |
1929 |
> > ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in |
1930 |
> > the first place. |
1931 |
> |
1932 |
> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't |
1933 |
> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't |
1934 |
> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see |
1935 |
> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass |
1936 |
> inherited by one of the ebuilds. |
1937 |
> |
1938 |
> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage |
1939 |
> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build |
1940 |
> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be |
1941 |
> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. |
1942 |
> |
1943 |
> -- |
1944 |
> Neil Bothwick |
1945 |
> |
1946 |
> Top Oxymorons Number 47: Act naturally |
1947 |
> |
1948 |
> Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry: |
1949 |
> > Hi, |
1950 |
> > strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): |
1951 |
> > it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped |
1952 |
> > responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), |
1953 |
> > all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. |
1954 |
> > Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few |
1955 |
> > "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache |
1956 |
> > was already unable to send reply. |
1957 |
> > |
1958 |
> > Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it |
1959 |
> > "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have |
1960 |
> > about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my |
1961 |
> > config so that apache never runs out of memory? |
1962 |
> > |
1963 |
> > server-info: |
1964 |
> > Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 |
1965 |
> > MPM Name: Prefork |
1966 |
> > MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes |
1967 |
> > Module Name: prefork.c |
1968 |
> > 31: StartServers 5 |
1969 |
> > 32: MinSpareServers 5 |
1970 |
> > 33: MaxSpareServers 10 |
1971 |
> > 34: MaxClients 150 |
1972 |
> > |
1973 |
> > Jarry |
1974 |
> > |
1975 |
> |
1976 |
> |
1977 |
> Hi, |
1978 |
> |
1979 |
> try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and |
1980 |
> then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to |
1981 |
> respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a |
1982 |
> time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory. |
1983 |
> |
1984 |
> On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote: |
1985 |
> |
1986 |
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: |
1987 |
>> |
1988 |
>> I suppose I'll have to have a look at the |
1989 |
>>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in |
1990 |
>>> the first place. |
1991 |
>>> |
1992 |
>> |
1993 |
>> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't |
1994 |
>> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't |
1995 |
>> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see |
1996 |
>> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass |
1997 |
>> inherited by one of the ebuilds. |
1998 |
>> |
1999 |
>> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage |
2000 |
>> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build |
2001 |
>> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be |
2002 |
>> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. |
2003 |
>> |
2004 |
>> Neil, |
2005 |
> Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has |
2006 |
> just had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python |
2007 |
> list", I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added |
2008 |
> so it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have |
2009 |
> to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer, and |
2010 |
> let the install happen. |
2011 |
> |
2012 |
> Thanks for the feedback everyone, |
2013 |
> |
2014 |
> Andrew |
2015 |
> |
2016 |
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz> |
2017 |
> wrote: |
2018 |
> > Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry: |
2019 |
> >> Hi, |
2020 |
> >> strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): |
2021 |
> >> it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped |
2022 |
> >> responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), |
2023 |
> >> all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. |
2024 |
> >> Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few |
2025 |
> >> "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache |
2026 |
> >> was already unable to send reply. |
2027 |
> >> |
2028 |
> >> Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it |
2029 |
> >> "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have |
2030 |
> >> about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my |
2031 |
> >> config so that apache never runs out of memory? |
2032 |
> >> |
2033 |
> >> server-info: |
2034 |
> >> Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 |
2035 |
> >> MPM Name: Prefork |
2036 |
> >> MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes |
2037 |
> >> Module Name: prefork.c |
2038 |
> >> 31: StartServers 5 |
2039 |
> >> 32: MinSpareServers 5 |
2040 |
> >> 33: MaxSpareServers 10 |
2041 |
> >> 34: MaxClients 150 |
2042 |
> >> |
2043 |
> >> Jarry |
2044 |
> >> |
2045 |
> > |
2046 |
> > |
2047 |
> > Hi, |
2048 |
> > |
2049 |
> > try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and |
2050 |
> > then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to |
2051 |
> > respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a |
2052 |
> > time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory. |
2053 |
> |
2054 |
> And sucks up system entropy. And increases connection latency, if |
2055 |
> you've already got a request waiting on that fork to spin up. |
2056 |
> |
2057 |
> I have StartServers, MinSpareServers, MaxSpareServers and MaxClients |
2058 |
> all pegged to the same value. And on the server in question, they'll |
2059 |
> all pegged to '10'. |
2060 |
> |
2061 |
> I have MaxRequestsPerChild set to 20000, so that any leaky processes |
2062 |
> get cleaned up. |
2063 |
> |
2064 |
> Because I need to fit a lot of operation into a limited space, I need |
2065 |
> to be able to reasonably predict how much RAM is going to be in use by |
2066 |
> each of my services. A "MaxClients" of 10 may seem small, but that's |
2067 |
> what Squid is for; only requests Squid couldn't cache get passed on to |
2068 |
> Apache. |
2069 |
> |
2070 |
> The server I'm describing is a VM with 4GB of RAM, and is also running |
2071 |
> MySQL, squid and memcached. For those playing with the numbers in |
2072 |
> their head, each of these numbers reflect RES (code+data resident in |
2073 |
> RAM): |
2074 |
> |
2075 |
> * Each Apache process is consuming 80-100MB of RAM. |
2076 |
> * Squid is consuming 666MB of RAM |
2077 |
> * memcached is consuming 822MB of RAM |
2078 |
> * mysqld is consuming 886MB of RAM |
2079 |
> * The kernel is using 110MB of RAM for buffers |
2080 |
> * The kernel is using 851MB of RAM for file cache (which benefits squid). |
2081 |
> |
2082 |
> And, not RAM, but potentially of interest for the curious: |
2083 |
> * The MySQL db is consuming 3.8GB on disk. |
2084 |
> * The Squid cache is about 9.2GB on disk. |
2085 |
> |
2086 |
> |
2087 |
> -- |
2088 |
> :wq |
2089 |
> |
2090 |
> On 09/16/12 04:20, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: |
2091 |
> > Ok, thank you very much! |
2092 |
> > |
2093 |
> > Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right? |
2094 |
> |
2095 |
> Nope, all you should have to do is copy the net-p2p/mldonkey/files |
2096 |
> directory into the corresponding directory in your overlay. |
2097 |
> |
2098 |
> The "2.9.5-execstacks.patch" file might not be needed for the 3.1.x |
2099 |
> you're building, but it won't hurt anything to leave it there. |
2100 |
> |
2101 |
> Hello, |
2102 |
> |
2103 |
> can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? |
2104 |
> |
2105 |
> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance |
2106 |
> |
2107 |
> I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy |
2108 |
> the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. |
2109 |
> |
2110 |
> |
2111 |
> Thanks for help. |
2112 |
> |
2113 |
> |
2114 |
> Regards |
2115 |
> Silvio |
2116 |
> |
2117 |
> Andrew Lowe wrote: |
2118 |
> |
2119 |
>> On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote: |
2120 |
>> |
2121 |
>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: |
2122 |
>>> |
2123 |
>>> I suppose I'll have to have a look at the |
2124 |
>>>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in |
2125 |
>>>> the first place. |
2126 |
>>>> |
2127 |
>>> |
2128 |
>>> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't |
2129 |
>>> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't |
2130 |
>>> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see |
2131 |
>>> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass |
2132 |
>>> inherited by one of the ebuilds. |
2133 |
>>> |
2134 |
>>> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage |
2135 |
>>> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build |
2136 |
>>> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be |
2137 |
>>> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. |
2138 |
>>> |
2139 |
>>> Neil, |
2140 |
>> Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has just |
2141 |
>> had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python list", |
2142 |
>> I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added so |
2143 |
>> it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have |
2144 |
>> to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer, |
2145 |
>> and let the install happen. |
2146 |
>> |
2147 |
> |
2148 |
> Portage works with either instance of python and its ebuild has "python2" |
2149 |
> and "python3" USE flags. Alas, the build system of sys-libs/talloc seems to |
2150 |
> require python:2.6 or python:2.7. I would suggest adding |
2151 |
> dev-lang/python:2.7 to the world file so as to protect it from being reaped |
2152 |
> by emerge --depclean, only to be required again for future builds. |
2153 |
> |
2154 |
> Incidentally, one of the first things I do on a Gentoo system is mask |
2155 |
> >=dev-lang/python-3.0 and rebuild affected packages against python-2.7. I |
2156 |
> have yet to find a single instance where having both installed is helpful. |
2157 |
> Even major applications such as Django still don't support Py3k. |
2158 |
> |
2159 |
> Regarding the increase in compilation time, you could get a head start by |
2160 |
> grabbing a binary package from tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org. |
2161 |
> |
2162 |
> Cheers, |
2163 |
> |
2164 |
> --Kerin |
2165 |
> |
2166 |
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200 |
2167 |
> Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote: |
2168 |
> |
2169 |
> > Hello, |
2170 |
> > |
2171 |
> > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? |
2172 |
> |
2173 |
> Yes. There is only one tree, not different one for different arches. |
2174 |
> |
2175 |
> So it does not matter where you get your tree from, only that you do |
2176 |
> have a copy. |
2177 |
> |
2178 |
> Do make sure that owners and permissions are set to something that will |
2179 |
> work on the destination after the copy. |
2180 |
> |
2181 |
> |
2182 |
> > |
2183 |
> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance |
2184 |
> > |
2185 |
> > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy |
2186 |
> > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. |
2187 |
> > |
2188 |
> > |
2189 |
> > Thanks for help. |
2190 |
> > |
2191 |
> > |
2192 |
> > Regards |
2193 |
> > Silvio |
2194 |
> > |
2195 |
> |
2196 |
> |
2197 |
> |
2198 |
> -- |
2199 |
> Alan McKinnon |
2200 |
> alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
2201 |
> |
2202 |
> |
2203 |
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200 |
2204 |
> Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote: |
2205 |
> |
2206 |
> > Hello, |
2207 |
> > |
2208 |
> > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? |
2209 |
> > |
2210 |
> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance |
2211 |
> > |
2212 |
> > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy |
2213 |
> > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. |
2214 |
> > |
2215 |
> > |
2216 |
> > Thanks for help. |
2217 |
> > |
2218 |
> > |
2219 |
> > Regards |
2220 |
> > Silvio |
2221 |
> |
2222 |
> I don't know if this handles things like package renames that get |
2223 |
> processed at the end of syncing. Maybe emerge knows to do this on the |
2224 |
> next run? I haven't tried this way, can someone confirm? |
2225 |
> |
2226 |
> One way that works is to uncomment the [gentoo-portage] entry in |
2227 |
> /etc/rsync.conf on your laptop, start rsyncd, then point your desktop |
2228 |
> to sync from your laptop with: |
2229 |
> |
2230 |
> SYNC="rsync://ip.of.laptop.here/gentoo-portage" |
2231 |
> |
2232 |
> in make.conf, and do an emerge --sync / eix-sync as normal. |
2233 |
> |
2234 |
> Cheers, |
2235 |
> Bryan |
2236 |
> |
2237 |
> |