Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?

[james]

On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, rudi@×××××.net wrote:
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> On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james <garftd@×××××××.net> wrote:
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>     On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
>      >
>      > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote:
>      >> So,
>      >>
>      >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can
>     get a
>      >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'.
>     Supposedly, you
>      >> are encourage, but they
>      >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months,
>      >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has
>      >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo
>      >> on a cell phone.
>      >>
>      >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private
>      >> responses are OK too.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every
>      >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks
>      >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in
>     Europe and
>      >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to
>      >> impossible to hack the Rf side
>      >> of communications.....?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome.
>     Links only
>      >> are fine too!
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> James
>      >
>      >
>      > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom
>      > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well
>      > supported models.
>      >
>      > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something
>     like a
>      > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the
>     time
>      > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some
>      > operations in the container.
>      >
>      > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can
>     build ii
>      > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it
>     many
>      > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still
>     can).� There
>      > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and even
>      > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it while
>      > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it still
>      > works fine)
>      >
>      > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build
>     android
>      > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side
>     of the
>      > equation.
>      >
>      > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the
>     implications
>      > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending
>     on the
>      > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with
>     new stuff
>      > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :)
>      >
>      > BillK
>
>     Good info (thanks!)
>     Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to share
>     info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently researching
>     'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim cards
>     should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github (etc)
>     places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I just
>     done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control the RF
>     (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a few
>     links::
>
>
>     https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/
>
>
>
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators
>
>
>     Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with gentoo::
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>     Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked)
>     https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/
>
>
>     Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a
>     samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo....�� we'll see
>     how this goes...
>
>     More comments? encouragement, folks interested?
>
>     James
>
> I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be
> restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that the
> Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware
> binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch a
> bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point. My
> use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more for
> things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android Desktop.
> Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop with floating
> windows etc.
>
>  �I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would also
> like to help contribute software however I'm not really skilled with
> hardware. I configure my kernel and that's about it.


Sorry, I missed this. Super busy, trying to get Samsung to 'throw this 
effort a bone', in the form of deeply one-time discounted Samsung 
note:11 phone, that are unlocked and support booting multiple embedded 
(phone) OSes. Think about it (3) or more different stacks to test out 
one against another, security issues and many other things. Samsung is 
very very cool, but this has to be done in a way to avoid issues with 
large carriers and governments and their clandestine activities.

Still Samsung understand the linux-source-centric developer and appears 
to negotiating with best intentions. It'd be great to get some of the 
gentoo embedded devs in on this, so it can move rapidly to everyone's 
advantage.


https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171204006182/en/Samsung-Starts-Producing-512-Gigabyte-Universal-Flash-Storage

I'm pushing Samsung for a dev phone with usb-4, a direct fiber port (SC) 
and a multi-boot capability, so we could have (3) or more different 
Operating Systems on a dev-phone. Totally open and supporting 5G 
development and testing for large, private networks.

You could have a '%G campus' and then tunnel, via the internet, to other 
5G campuses.

Last, which is what Samsung really likes, is the myriad of cluster codes 
that could allow multiple Gentoo-Samsung-Note:11 phones to locally 
collect as a CLUSTER.

Shoot for the moon and let's get what I get, for the (gentoo) 
brotherhood. Samsung seems to be very receptive
to a large collective of gentoo-centric hacks to push the envelop with 
their latest hardware. Word I got was Late February.

We'll see; I have been jilted before by majors. I also have a deal 
cooking for one of the largest manufacturers of 5G chipset. The enormous 
capabilities of 5G, needs hackers like us to dream, explore, ask for 
help and publish in the public domain, what we try, where we are stuck 
and when/who is willing to help. US feds actually cannot find people 
like us, so that are stuck FOLLOWING what we dream up and try to build.

Just think, 3 of us, could rid on the back of one of DALEs tractors, 
running a gentoo cell phone cluster, so
DALE, whilst driving, can have several screens and linux gentoo linux 
cluster collecting data, providing (AI) advice to DALE in real time 
about how to farm and correct drive. All very fuel efficient. Eventually 
an Electric tractor make by a modifies TESLA cybertruck hack.


SOON, my brothers, SOON!

be blessed,
James