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On 02/19/2014 04:50 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: |
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> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: |
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>>> How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to |
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>>> consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles |
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>>> are the essence of choice but it appears you only want the |
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>>> choices you approve of to be available. |
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>> Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. Logically, a "non systemd" |
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>> profile would necessitate either a systemd profile, or require |
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>> the default to already ship systemd. I hadn't considered the |
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>> prior existence of systemd profiles, which we currently have, so |
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>> afaict the issue is mostly moot. |
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> We already have non-systemd profiles. Until recently that is all we |
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> had. |
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>> Choices are great until the existence of other choices infringes |
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>> on mine. Profiles prevent that, so I have no problem with |
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>> systemd profiles. The problem lies with evangelists who aren't |
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>> happy with systemd being *a* choice. They want systemd to be |
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>> *the* choice, *the* default. That is what I take issue with. |
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> Why are you so concerned about the default, not that anyone in |
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> this thread has suggested making systemd the default, not even |
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> Canek? If you cannot use eselect profile set, Gentoo is not for you |
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> anyway? The handbook tells you to select a profile quite early in |
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> the installation, there is no default - portage complain loudly if |
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> you haven't chosen a profile, so I fail to see how anyone can force |
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> systemd (or openrc for that matter) on users when the choice must |
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> be made. |
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> There are technical arguments for and against systemd, which is why |
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> this thread was started, rhetoric about forcing default profiles on |
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> people when there is no such thing as a default profile only serve |
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> to cloud the real issues. |
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Ah. It's been a while since I installed Gentoo; I wasn't aware that |
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portage would yell at you for not choosing a profile, or that one |
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wasn't already set. In that case there's nothing for me to say wrt |
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defaults. |
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Insistence upon technical-only discussion is a bit dishonest imo, as |
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free software is more than code. Without the social practices, |
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community, etc, there wouldn't be free software. So I think |
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non-technical concerns can be relevant to discussions on a project, |
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especially ambitious ones that seek to greatly change the ecosystem. |
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