On 120214, at 21:42, mike@... wrote:

> On 02/14/2012 02:29 PM, Andrea Conti wrote:
>> Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is
>> better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else.
>> 
>> I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a
>> configuration that is so convoluted that it *has to* be generated by
>> running a set of scripts makes no sense at all. I thought the days of m4
>> and sendmail.cf were over a long time ago...
> 
> Well, it's a good thing that GRUB 2 is just a bootloader, then.  :-)
> And again, nobody needs the tools to configure it; they are simply
> standardized from what various distributions developed for GRUB Legacy,
> but was incompatible from one distribution to the next.
> 
>> I am sure grub2 can be made to work, but for a piece of software as
>> vital as a boot loader, that level of complexity in my opinion is
>> totally unreasonable and impossible to justify.
> 
> How about "It Just Works".  Seriously.
> 
> It is a better designed system with most of its functionality pushed
> into modules.  It is portable to more than just x86, as I've already
> mentioned before, and during _that_ whole process, the quality of the
> code increased significantly.  It is more robust, and from the POV of a
> user, maintainer, or packager it is *much* simpler.
> 
> When supporting GRUB Legacy, it's almost a necessity to know which
> distribution the user installed it with.  Why?  Because all of them are
> different!  That is no longer the case with GRUB 2.
> 
> I'm not sure how that translates to being more complex.  If you are
> averse to change, just say so and be done with it.  Is it different?
> Oh, yes, absolutely.  It couldn't be better if it were the same, could
> it?  ;-)
First, why do we need that much code? If we have less then we dont
have to divide into modules.
Second, it does not translate into complex but rather into too much,
and whenever it is too much than needed, its hard to understand
and THUS complex. Not the other way.
> 
> 
> A man who reasons deliberately, manages it better after studying Logic
> than he could before, if he is sincere about it and has common sense.
>                                   --- Carveth Read, “Logic”
>