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From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.25-r6 oddities; is this kernel really ready for stable?
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:15:23
Message-Id: 200807240415.09289.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.25-r6 oddities; is this kernel really ready for stable? by Kevin O'Gorman
1 On Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
2 > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
3 >
4 > <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de> wrote:
5 > > On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
6 > >> I run gentoo x86 stable, so that I usually avoid this sort of thing.
7 > >>
8 > >> This kernel, however, looks balky to me, because it's reporting
9 > >> warnings and other oddities during compilation. I don't like warnings
10 > >> at any time, and with the kernel's make wrappers cleaning up the
11 > >> output they tend to stand out.
12 > >>
13 > >> Here's what I get:
14 > >> -- various type/attribute warnings
15 > >
16 > > harmless.
17
18 > >
19 > >> -- reports of deprecated elements
20 > >
21 > > even more harmless
22 > >
23 > >> -- a report of "section mismatches", and instructions to use "make
24 > >> CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y" to find details.
25 > >
26 > > completly harmless.
27 > >
28 > > All three 'problems' can be safely ignored. So do it.
29 >
30 > And how would I know they're harmless. No offense, but I don't know
31 > enough about you to evaluate your skill or knowledge.
32
33 warnings that are not harmless are being fixed before a release. 2.6.25 is at
34 .10. So everything that is harmfull should be fixed by now. Also, the build is
35 full with these messages. Just because you missed them before does not make
36 them worse now. Deprecation warnings are just that. Something uses something
37 that is on its way to be phased out. If you have followed the kernel you'd
38 know that it can take YEARS between 'deprecation' and removal. And the
39 mismatch warnings - again if they would be dangerous they would be fixed. I
40 have asked on lkml about them once and got no reply - which is close to 'it is
41 not serious'.
42
43
44 >
45 > I have seen lots of build problems over the decades, but these are new
46 > to me. What I see is that for some time now, kernel builds have been
47 > utterly clean, admirably free from the tedious command-line echoes
48 > that obscure any real information from compiler/linker/whatever build
49 > tools. Suddenly there are three kinds of reports, most of them a kind
50 > that I cannot evaluate.
51
52 its not suddenly - and they always have been there -they are not as hidden as
53 before. I have NEVER seen a warning free built.
54
55 >
56 > So what's a poor user to do? Believe the first poster responding with
57 > (apparent) authority? Maybe. I'm just going to stay away for a while
58 > and see what shakes out.
59
60 you could believe the kernel devs who are at 2.6.25.10 and haven't 'fixed'
61 them for some reason. Which is a good marker for 'harmless noise'.