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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:31:53
Message-Id: 20120321162924.08ac20df@khamul.example.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] by Walter Dnes
1 On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:40:27 -0400
2 "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@××××××××.org> wrote:
3
4 > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
5 >
6 > > I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init
7 > > system and good, simple ways to start services. App maintainers are
8 > > going to continue to do whatever they feel they ought to do, some
9 > > might write the systemd files, some might not - that is what already
10 > > happens. Someone has to write it and what goes in it depends on what
11 > > the app code does, not the other way round.
12 >
13 > The point I'm making is that if the initialization is moved into the
14 > binary, then the binary will have to be patched/modified/whatever.
15 > There's already somebody with a systemd overlay. Assuming that the
16 > initialization code gets shoved into the binary, how does it
17 > simultaneously support openrc/systemd/linux/bsd/Sun/HPUX/etc/etc? The
18 > only realistic answer I see is leaving the init code to the distro
19 > maintainer. We don't expect the upstream for sshd or any other
20 > software to write Gentoo-specific stuff like ebuilds. Whey should
21 > they be expected to write Gentoo-specific initscripts?
22
23 Fair enough
24
25 > > As for the last question, I really have no idea where you're taking
26 > > this. I don't know the answer, I've never been a maintainer in that
27 > > position. Being the arrogant shit that I am, I reckon I would
28 > > probably tell the user to piss off and I don't support hobby crap.
29 > > But hey, that's just what I think I might say while sitting here on
30 > > my couch.
31 >
32 > So you're saying you wouldn't have supported...
33
34 No, you're saying that you believe that you think I would say that
35 based on some extrapolation of I don't know what.
36
37 I said no such thing.
38 I said that I don't know what I would do
39
40 Let's not get too carried away with Linus's little project being
41 representative of anything. It's a fluke. There are 100s of other hobby
42 systems that went nowhere.
43
44
45
46 --
47 Alan McKinnnon
48 alan.mckinnon@×××××.com

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com>