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From: Sebastian Wiesner <basti.wiesner@...>
Subject: Re: kernel 2.6.25-r6 oddities; is this kernel really ready for stable?
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:53:03 +0200
"Kevin O'Gorman" <kogorman@...> at Thursday 24 July 2008, 03:26:26
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> <volker.armin.hemmann@...> wrote:
> > On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2008, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >> I run gentoo x86 stable, so that I usually avoid this sort of thing.
> >>
> >> This kernel, however, looks balky to me, because it's reporting
> >> warnings and other oddities during compilation.  I don't like warnings
> >> at any time, and with the kernel's make wrappers cleaning up the
> >> output they tend to stand out.
> >>
> >> Here's what I get:
> >> -- various type/attribute warnings
> >
> > harmless.
> >
> >> -- reports of deprecated elements
> >
> > even more harmless
> >
> >> -- a report of "section mismatches", and instructions to use "make
> >> CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y" to find details.
> >
> > completly harmless.
> >
> > All three 'problems' can be safely ignored. So do it.
>
> And how would I know they're harmless.  No offense, but I don't know
> enough about you to evaluate your skill or knowledge.
>
> I have seen lots of build problems over the decades, but these are new
> to me. What I see is that for some time now, kernel builds have been
> utterly clean, admirably free from the tedious command-line echoes
> that obscure any real information from compiler/linker/whatever build
> tools. 

You were ever able to built a kernel without warnings?!  You certainly must 
have some magic in your hands ;)  Kernel developers always had a dismissive 
attitude towards compiler warnings, non-serious warnings are rarely fixed.

> So what's a poor user to do?  Believe the first poster responding with
> (apparent) authority?  Maybe.  I'm just going to stay away for a while
> and see what shakes out.

Obviously, despite all the warnings, a proper kernel binary was created.  
You wouldn't stop using a software just because of all the warnings, that 
are issued by a normal emerge, so why to are you taking warnings during a 
kernel build so much more serious?

> >> All that being said, the compilation completes, and I can boot it.  I
> >> don't know the cause, but I have been unable to get vmware-server
> >> running on it, and I'm going back to the previous kernel for that
> >> reason.
> >
> > complain to vmware - it's their closed source crap that doesn't work.
>
> I have less clout with vmware than I have with the kernel team, I
> would guess, because I don't pay either one, but at least the kernel
> team are not in business to get money from me.  But reasonable
> virtualization is essential to some of my own projects, and I have to
> stick with it.  If I have to, I'll learn a different tools set, but
> it's not something I take up lightly.

And what are the kernel developers supposed to do regarding vmware?  And 
should a closed source software, that's most likely only used by a minority 
of Gentoo users, really stop all the other users from profiting from a 
newer and probably faster and more stable kernel?

-- 
Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters.
                                      (Rosa Luxemburg)
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