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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Hi
all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Time is becoming
extra rare these days, so I'll make this quick. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Concerns regarding
long author list have been addressed with this new update. The author list
is moved to the "Sidebar" along with the document action buttons. As a
result, long author lists now display fine, but it is not displayed when printed
because it no longer follows the document "flow" -- which is fine as it wouldn't
make sense to have 25% of the page width used by credits when printed
anyway. The authors are credited online where the individual must've first
visited before printing the page. In the case of a 1 document = 1 webpage
type exclusively made for printing, then having all the authors at the top would
be fine...almost like a book. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Are there any other
ways to do this? Throw out some ideas. Someone mentioned grouping
the contributors under categories e.g. author, reviewer, etc., and someone
mentioned hiding it using scripts. This is a common practice these days
with Javascript/CSS</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005>. I did not do this as it concerns credits and
the default state is to hide the info, hence contributors are not
being given due credit when users disable their scripting capabilities. I'd
like to explore this avenue but don't want to waste time if most disapproves the
method.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>By some pure luck (I had no
idea this existed), I stumbled upon the test server at <A
href="http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org/">http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org/</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Looks like it's in
progress, but I hope when it's done it'll look more like the reference pages I
provided. =D </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Quirks are common
place when integration takes place, but in this case the design appears to be
completely *destroyed.* At this point, integrators shouldn't be
changing the CSS or the basic HTML structure (except for quirk squashing
purposes). I am no longer adding "features" either, just addressing
concerns in this mailing list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>With regards to
moving the sitemap link in the upper right corner, I have to voice
some usability implications of removing it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Just briefly, it is the ONLY way to return
to the root level of a *particular* Gentoo site (i.e. packages.gentoo.org,
forums.gentoo.org, etc. etc.). It also indicates to users what site
they're on -- combined with the breadcrumbs they allow users to navigate to
the exact page without URL bar (i.e. in a magazine screenshot) or when the print
URL footer is cut off. Clicking the Gentoo logo will return you to <A
href="http://www.gentoo.org">www.gentoo.org</A>, but not to the homepages of the
other "sites." You could change the Gentoo logo to point to the homepages
of the other sites, but then it'll be inconsistent and this inconsistency is not
indicated to the user (i.e. the user doesn't know that the target page has
changed). The rule of thumb is if the site's primary navigation is
horizontal then the sitemap should be listed in the footer of the page if there
isn't space in the horizontal nav; if the site's primary nav is vertical, then
sitemap should be listed as one of the lower items in the vertical nav. If
the information flow up/down is structure well, the sitemap is only
secondary. Information flow should not only be concerned with people
getting to places, but also getting back, knowing where they are, knowing what
to expect up/down the flow, and it should be
"intuitive."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>I'm not concerned
about making the design work here and now, by definition it'll already be
obsolete by the time your read this. My concern is making sure this design
works now and in the future, taking growth
and human/technological changes into account.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>All in all, I think
the test site is off to a good start, allowing you to navigate many pages with a
rough implementation of the design.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>Another concern,
please refrain from leaking work-in-progress to the general public -- this
practice has historically generated more problems than it solves. If the
public needs to be updated, then planned and Gentoo-coordinated updates are the
way to go, i.e. someone put together a package specifically for the purpose
of a press release.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>This ended up longer
than I thought, but there you go.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005>Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005>Aaron</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=531421001-08082005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=531421001-08082005>P.S. Michael,
haven't heard from you in a while, hope all is well with you. Are you
working on the test server?...I can no longer access your DSL hosted site.
Activity on the list has been nil for 2 months, we didn't move to a new list did
we?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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