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From: Michael Curtis Napier <curtis119@×××××.com>
To: www-redesign@××××××××××××.org
Subject: Re: [www-redesign] about updated and news page.
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:03:55
Message-Id: 20050109050353.93007.qmail@web81101.mail.yahoo.com
In Reply to: Re: [www-redesign] about updated and news page. by Stefan Huszics
1 Good points. However, the layout was voted on and chosen in advance of
2 the markup creation. As swift said in the outline, it's not set in
3 stone but it should be followed as a reference. The actual site is done
4 by an xsl backend and the final html is just templates. So in essence
5 the "text site" you are referring to already exists. We're just
6 reworking the layout and design.
7
8 For now we need a layout to follow in order to create those templates.
9 Once I get a testing backend up and running we can start actual work on
10 the templates and finalize the layout. For now we need to concentrate
11 on a *general* layout so we have something to follow.
12
13
14 --- Stefan Huszics <sauron@×××××××.se> wrote:
15
16 > Michael Curtis Napier wrote:
17 >
18 > >You have to remember that we are just trying to finalize the layout
19 > >right now. The table vs div and the font issues can all be done
20 > later.
21 > >
22 > >
23 > Sorry, I guess it's out of habit for me that makes it hard to
24 > concentrate on layout alone at start. I usually work by transforming
25 > a
26 > well structured highly accessible plaintext-site into something that
27 > looks pretty on a graphical display.
28 > Thus layout first while adding underlying markup/CSS/accessibility
29 > afterwards to me just feels a little bit like trying to make an
30 > omelet
31 > before breaking the eggs.
32 >
33 > To some extent doing layout before markup also means having to do at
34 > least twice the work to reach your target designs look & feel since
35 > once
36 > it looks like how you want to have it you have to tear it all down
37 > again
38 > and almost start from scratch again to merge in good
39 > accessibility/behaviour and recreate the look that was evolved ontop
40 > of
41 > another underlying structure.
42 >
43 > Also, there is a definite risk of locking/limiting yourself into a
44 > underlying design that is clumsy and aqward to make accessible when
45 > you
46 > are finalizing layout before leting loose the full power of tableless
47 >
48 > CSS controlled design.
49 >
50 > In any case, I'll try to write my thoughts down for now and bring
51 > them
52 > up again once we reach that point on the todolist if the rest of you
53 > prefer the "Layout before Markup" approach. :)
54 > I'll just keep my fingers crossed that a "final layout" is not
55 > compleatly set in stone by the time we reach the CSS & Markup stage
56 > so
57 > it becomes too much of an obstacle to also getting the site
58 > accessible
59 > and well behaved.
60 >
61 > Regards /Stefan Huszics
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65 > email;internet:sauron@×××××××.se
66 > tel;home:0906991299
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72 >
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