From: Brian Harring <ferringb@gmail.com>
To: Micha?? G??rny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:24:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120918092426.GA5384@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120918102551.500ff19b@pomiocik.lan>
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:25:51AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote:
> > test depends: to specifically mark those dependencies that are only
> > needed for when the pkg is being tested; effectively ephemeral
> > build/run time depends that go away once testing is completed.
>
> Does that mean that USE=test is going away somehow?
If you think it through, a test use flag still is needed in the cases
where the rdep itself would change if test was enabled; such a source
is fairy rare, but not always just someone being moronic- certain
cases to do testing, the tests need to reach in fairly deeply and
recompilation for compile vs test isn't exposed.
> Also, could you please stop spreading FUD with your examples?
It's not FUD; it's rendered deps, and a demonstration of how they
collapse down naturally on their own regardless of how you generate
them.
Quite frankly, it's a fairly effective demonstration in my views, but
so it goes.
> A quick
> glance shows that what you have expanded there, a fairly reasonable
> Gentoo dev will solve using:
>
> RDEPEND="[common depends]"
> DEPEND="${RDEPEND}
> [build only depends]"
from diffball (under current EAPIs)
"""
RDEPEND=">=sys-libs/zlib-1.1.4
>=app-arch/bzip2-1.0.2
app-arch/xz-utils"
DEPEND="${RDEPEND}
virtual/pkgconfig"
"""
becomes the following under the proposal:
"""
DEPENDENCIES=">=sys-libs/zlib-1.1.4
>=app-arch/bzip2-1.0.2
app-arch/xz-utils"
dep:build? ( virtual/pkgconfig )"
"""
Suspect I may add that to the doc; it's a good example of the ground
level simple gains for devs inherent in the proposal- thanks for
helping improve it.
> So if you really want to show some advantages, please compare it with
> *real* code.
I think I'll take the risk, and assume people capable of discussing
DEPENDENCIES and vaguely knowledgable in the ebuild format will be
able to understand how their ebuilds will change; thus I'll skip that
request of yours.
A productive suggestion for you; you should go looking through the
tree finding cases where DEPENENCIES is a regression in form at the
shell level, or rendered deps level.
Should you manage to find something that's not contrived or
intentionally cracktastic, I expect people would be interested.
~harring
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2012-09-16 13:52 [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal Brian Harring
2012-09-16 14:39 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] " Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-16 16:05 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-16 16:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-25 22:46 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-29 16:05 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-30 20:14 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-30 20:30 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-30 21:42 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-30 21:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-30 23:56 ` Brian Harring
2012-10-01 7:13 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-01 9:01 ` Brian Harring
2012-10-01 9:15 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-17 15:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2012-10-02 17:51 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] " Ian Stakenvicius
2012-10-02 17:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-02 18:08 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-10-02 18:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-02 20:40 ` Brian Harring
2012-10-02 20:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-14 16:45 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2012-10-14 16:38 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-10-17 13:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2012-09-18 13:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2012-09-16 16:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alex Alexander
2012-09-16 16:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-17 3:08 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-17 5:31 ` Peter Stuge
2012-09-17 10:55 ` Alex Alexander
2012-09-17 11:49 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-17 12:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-17 13:48 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-17 13:58 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-17 14:11 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-17 14:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-17 14:51 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-17 14:22 ` Michael Mol
2012-09-18 12:25 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-09-17 5:56 ` Brian Dolbec
2012-09-18 4:04 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2012-09-18 9:58 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-18 6:48 ` hasufell
2012-09-18 9:41 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-18 8:25 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 9:24 ` Brian Harring [this message]
2012-09-18 9:38 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-18 9:56 ` vivo75
2012-09-18 10:35 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-18 19:25 ` Zac Medico
2012-09-18 19:29 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 19:40 ` Zac Medico
2012-09-18 19:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 19:58 ` Zac Medico
2012-09-18 20:10 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 20:21 ` Zac Medico
2012-09-18 20:51 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 20:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 21:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 21:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 21:34 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 21:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 22:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 22:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 22:53 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 23:28 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-19 10:48 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-19 11:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 11:06 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-18 12:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-18 19:18 ` Alec Warner
2012-09-18 20:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 20:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 20:22 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 20:27 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-09-18 20:40 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-19 4:09 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-18 20:39 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-09-19 4:07 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-19 6:01 ` Matt Turner
2012-09-19 6:36 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-09-19 6:55 ` Matt Turner
2012-09-19 7:12 ` Ben de Groot
2012-09-19 14:19 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-09-19 16:11 ` Matt Turner
2012-09-18 9:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-18 10:45 ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposas Brian Harring
2012-09-18 17:07 ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal Hans de Graaff
2012-09-18 17:18 ` Michael Mol
2012-09-18 17:21 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2012-09-18 20:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2012-09-26 6:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-09-26 10:33 ` Brian Harring
2012-09-28 12:17 ` Brian Harring
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