From: Rafael Goncalves Martins <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org>
To: Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-python <gentoo-python@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-python] Python 3 in Gentoo
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:38:51 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHgY3qeEnNxibXx3KR6W4CSmyLyhjSxhX33MO5R9Ku7rOFL3vQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5015EDC2.202@gentoo.org>
Hi Mike,
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:
> This past weekend, the topic of the current state of Python 3 in Gentoo
> was raised once again in the #gentoo-dev IRC channel. Here's where we
> currently stand:
>
> 1. Python 3.2 is installed by default on major arches due to its
> presence in the stage3 tarball.
>
> 2. Python 2 is NOT installed by default as nothing in the system set
> actually depends on it.
>
> 3. In most cases, users end up building and installing Python 2.7 as a
> dependency of some other package once they have their system set up.
> Users end up having two versions of Python installed.
>
> This third point is the cause of some annoyance for several (many?)
> developers and users. In most cases, there really is no reason for a
> user to have two versions of Python installed; it is simply a redundant
> set of code. However, if you attempt to remove Python 3, portage will
> just pull it back on the next world upgrade unless you mask it.
>
> I don't think this makes for a very good user experience. So, how can we
> change that?
>
> As I see it, we need a way to avoid portage's overly optimistic upgrade
> mechanic. One way to do that is to drop the stable keywords on Python 3,
> but I feel that is dishonest; Python 3 itself is perfectly stable, so we
> should not force users to unmask it.
>
> The other way that occurs to me (and others) is to rename
> dev-lang/python-3* to dev-lang/python3, treating it as an entirely
> separate package. I believe this has been proposed in the past, and I'm
> honestly not sure why it never gained traction. It would take some work,
> but we have already had a couple of non-python devs volunteer to help out.
>
> We can work out the technical details in follow-up discussion.
>
> Is anyone in favor or opposed to this package rename idea? Are there any
> better ideas?
>
I agree with any changes regarding have just python-2* installed by
default, including rename python-3* to python3.
Best Regards.
--
Rafael Goncalves Martins
Gentoo Linux developer
http://rafaelmartins.eng.br/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-30 5:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-30 2:13 [gentoo-python] Python 3 in Gentoo Mike Gilbert
2012-07-30 2:23 ` Richard Yao
2012-07-30 5:38 ` Rafael Goncalves Martins [this message]
2012-07-30 7:36 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 8:23 ` Richard Yao
2012-07-30 8:32 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 9:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 9:09 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 9:16 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 9:23 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 9:50 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 11:56 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 13:11 ` Matthew Summers
2012-07-30 13:18 ` Matthew Summers
2012-07-30 13:39 ` Nikolaj Sjujskij
2012-07-30 14:05 ` Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
2012-07-31 7:11 ` Nikolaj Sjujskij
2012-07-31 12:09 ` Ben de Groot
2012-07-31 12:14 ` Nikolaj Sjujskij
2012-07-31 14:40 ` Ben de Groot
2012-07-31 16:46 ` Nikolaj Sjujskij
2012-07-30 14:00 ` Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
2012-07-30 14:04 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 14:07 ` Matthew Summers
2012-07-30 14:11 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 15:19 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-07-30 15:22 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 15:30 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-07-30 15:40 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 15:56 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-07-30 16:05 ` Matthew Summers
2012-07-30 16:16 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-07-30 16:20 ` Matthew Summers
2012-07-30 16:53 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-07-30 17:05 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-07-31 15:31 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-08-08 21:07 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-08-08 21:44 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-08-08 22:09 ` Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
2012-08-13 19:05 ` Richard Yao
2012-08-13 9:46 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-08-13 19:07 ` Richard Yao
2012-08-13 19:38 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-08-31 2:13 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-09-02 12:21 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-09-02 17:16 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-09-02 17:34 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-02 17:54 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-09-02 19:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-09-03 21:12 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-09-03 21:20 ` Michał Górny
2012-07-30 21:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-07-30 7:45 ` Michał Górny
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