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Dear interlist... |
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=:^) |
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I'm currently considering two upgrades and am looking for gentoo amd64 |
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friendly recommendations. |
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1) Netbook/chromebook or possibly amd64-based tablet (presumably shipped |
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with android, I'm not interested in anything MS-based, even if I plan to |
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immediately wipe it and install gentoo). |
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Requirements: |
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Relatively cheap and small, easy to install gentoo on, amd64, not too |
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flimsy, hopefully upgradeable SATA drive, HD-standard 1366x720 or better |
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yet full-hd 1920x1080 strongly preferred, minimum 1024x600 (upgrading |
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from). While I used ethernet connectivity nearly exclusively on the old |
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netbook, I expect I'll use wifi more on the upgrade, but strongly prefer |
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wired ethernet for home use as well. |
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Need not be a performance powerhouse as I'll be building on my main |
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bulldozer-1 (fx6100) based workstation and transferring it over, and 8-12 |
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inch display is good, larger would cut down on portability too much. |
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I currently have a generation 1.5 Acer Aspire One netbook (aoa150l, IIRC), |
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32-bit-only x86 (32-bit atom n270), that I've actually been quite pleased |
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with in general including performance, portability and durability. Given |
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that it's a single-core with hyperthreading, clocked at 1.6 GHz IIRC, and |
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I've been happy with its performance, performance really /isn't/ a big |
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issue. This was one of the first netbooks to actually have a standard |
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SATA connector and thus be drive-upgradeable. |
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My biggest issue with it has been that it's 32-bit only, and while I |
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installed a 32-bit chroot on my main machine and do the building there, |
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the fact that it's 32-bit only means I have to build stuff twice if I'm |
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upgrading it, with the practical result being that gets put off and it |
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often goes a year or more between upgrades[1], meaning they tend to be |
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really hairy when I actually do them. A newer amd64-based system (Intel |
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or AMD) would eliminate this issue. |
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The second issue is its relatively small 9" 1024x600 resolution, and of |
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course its now dated db-15 analog vga external graphics connector. While |
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I want to keep a reasonably small footprint and am not too concerned |
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about display size, the bezel was big enough I expect I'll get a larger |
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display on an upgrade, even with the same overall size, so that's not a |
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big issue. The bigger issue is that I would like at least HD-standard |
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1366x720 resolution. |
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The third and now more urgent issue is that... someone recently |
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"borrowed" it, and I don't expect to get it back... tho actually I'm not |
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put out too much about it as I really wanted an excuse to upgrade it |
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anyway, and this is it. =:^) Tho it's still not a /huge/ issue... I can |
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do without just fine, it was just nice to have. |
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Since the chromebooks are all supposed to have developer mode and support |
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installing something else, an amd64-based (well, 64-bit atom-based, |
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probably) chromebook would seem a reasonably cost-effective upgrade. |
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But: I don't know the various complications of the various models, |
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whether they all have native Linux drivers or if some are still blobs, |
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etc, and the gentoo wiki writeup on the higher-end chromebook pixel, the |
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only chromebook writeup I found on the gentoo wiki, made me decide I |
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definitely needed more info (tho I'd have been unlikely to go with a high- |
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end one like that anyway, as I don't need it), and preferably |
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recommendations from others who are happy with their gentoo installations |
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on amd64-based chromebooks or similar. |
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Then of course there's the amd64-based tablets out now. I'm guessing |
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these to be rather more problematic than chromebooks in terms of swtiching |
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out to gentoo, blob-drivers, existing Linux app compatibility, etc. |
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Plus, upgradable sata-standard storage, etc, less likely. A tablet would |
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be very nice and I could use a bluetooth or USB-based external keyboard |
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if I didn't want to deal with a touchscreen based soft-keyboard, but I'm |
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uninterested if I can't put gentoo on it without issue or if it requires |
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blob-drivers, and hardware upgradeability is likely to be a problem as |
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well, so I'm still skeptical on how practical it'd be. |
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So amd64/atom based chromebook with good gentoo install potential looks |
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to be my best bet, ATM. Just... which one? |
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2) For similar amd64-build-once-use-everywhere reasons, amd64-based |
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router upgrade. |
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Requirements: amd64-based (or what's the point?), minimum 4-port |
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Ethernet required, 5-6 preferred, wifi nice but optional. SATA internal |
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near-required (could be USB I guess), sata/usb3 for external storage nice. |
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Probably barebones or mobo+ base to build on, altho cheap used meeting |
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other requirements is an option. Target of 5 independent Gigabit |
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Ethernet ports. Quad-port Gigabit Ethernet PCIE expansion cards are |
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available, so a free PCIE slot plus 1-2 ports builtin is the likely |
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solution there. I'm figuring a cheap mobo/cpu combo, downclocked for |
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passive or slow/silent-fan cooling, with a silent/passive power supply is |
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an option, tho not necessarily the cheapest one especially if I can find |
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something used. |
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Current router is an old Linksys wrt54gl, running openwrt. It's doing |
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fine, but needs a firmware update and both the 100 Mbit fast-ethernet WAN |
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port and a/b/g-only wifi (which I actually have configured off in openwrt) |
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are dated. |
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What I really appreciate about the wrt54g with openwrt is that the |
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ethernet ports and wifi are all separately configurable/firewallable, tho |
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I've not made as much use of that as I'd like to, because so much of the |
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configuration is openwrt specific and the knowledge doesn't transfer as |
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seamlessly between it and my gentoo machines as I'd like it to, so I've |
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not bothered to learn as much about it and customize it as much as I |
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would have were it gentoo. |
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The biggest issue here is again the fact that it's not amd64-based making |
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updates inconvenient and thus less frequent than I'd prefer. OpenWRT is |
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great firmware, but native gentoo would be /so/ much easier to work with, |
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and native amd64 gentoo would be ideal, since packages could be easily |
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built on my main machine and at least some of them built only once for |
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all three machines, workstation/netbook/router. |
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Cost-wise, the quad-port gigabit ethernet card alone starts at about (US) |
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$80 on pricewatch.com, a wireless ac/n USB from $30 and PCIE (includes |
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bluetooth) from $56, if I decide to add wireless, and the base computer |
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seems to run $200-300 in various configurations, so we're looking at |
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$300-400, tilting toward $400 unless I get a good deal. |
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That's certainly steep compared to off-the-shelf routers, but it's amd64 |
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and much more flexible than off-the-shelf routers. Further component |
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upgrades should be much cheaper, as well. |
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But I strongly suspect I can bring that down to $300-ish if I find a good |
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$200 or under used computer as a base. The biggest problem is finding a |
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good one that is known to have the required open PCIE slot for the quad- |
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port gigabit Ethernet... |
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And $300 is in the range of the top end off-the-shelf routers, which this |
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would compare to in general, probably with slower wifi but much more |
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flexible in general... |
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FWIW, I've seen noises of an off-the-shelf amd64-based router in the |
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works. Target market would be Linux/tech enthusiasts. And I see |
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existing embedded options, but the price is sky high, in the |
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thousands... But I don't see existing anything, for anything even |
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/close/ to reasonable, say a nice and round $500 or under. At $500 I'd |
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likely not actually get it, but at least it'd be in the "OK, I can at |
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least dream about it" range. |
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But someone else here may know about something I've missed. Asking can't |
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hurt! =:^) |
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[1] Year between upgrades: Security was specifically not a big issue as I |
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deliberately kept in mind that I might lose it and kept the personal |
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stuff off it. Also, a bit ironically given the netbook moniker, I didn't |
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actually use the wifi on it much, mostly using it unconnected on the road |
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and wired ethernet connected behind my router at home. Without security |
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being an issue, keeping current on updates wasn't a big issue either, as |
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long as it continued to work. |
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-- |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |