Gentoo Archives: gentoo-amd64

From: Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:05:09
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. by Harry Holt
Harry Holt wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com > <mailto:rdalek1967@×××××.com>> wrote: > > Frank Peters wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) > Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@×××.net <mailto:1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>> wrote: > > > > Stan Sander wrote: > > > In addition to using grub-static, you will need to > have the IA32 > Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't > be able to execute > grub at all. It's under file formats / Emulations > in the menu. > > I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's > still good, > just in case it would have been overlooked. FWIW when I > first switched to > no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried > turning off > that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I > think it was > lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's > definitely worth > remembering. > > > Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all. I have IA32 turned off > and I use > lilo to boot. There is no problem. > > Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably > use grub > because of the "follow the leader" syndrome. Lilo is still > quite effective > and also quite simple. Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have > not removed > lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just > compile it > myself. Continuous change is not a law of the universe. Some > methods > never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion > should never > be the final guide). > > Frank Peters > > > > No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub. I used > lilo first and for me, it was a nightmare. Fixing even a small > typo was painful for me. I switched to grub and the difference > was like flying the space shuttle or riding a tri-cycle. Let's > remove the computers from the space shuttle just to make it as > difficult. > > I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will > not compile on any rig I have. > > Dale > > > Good analogy. My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in > a tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere. > > Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful. > > > :-) :-) > >
When lilo failed for me one time, I had to reinstall. I couldn't get anything to work. With grub, I just edit the boot line. If grub doesn't load, boot a CD, mount the partitions and chroot in to fix it. I have never had to do that with grub tho. I have no clue how to fix lilo tho. Some of this is because grub has "just worked" for me and lilo was a pain for me. Maybe it has changed, I don't know. I just remember how it was back then. Dale :-) :-)