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Harm Geerts posted <200601192336.02461.harmgeerts@××××.nl>, excerpted |
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below, on Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:36:02 +0100: |
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> On Thursday 19 January 2006 18:01, Gavin Seddon wrote: |
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>> Hi, |
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>> I ran the updater. I received |
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>> ' * GNU info directory index is up-to-date. |
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>> * IMPORTANT: 57 config files in /etc need updating. |
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>> * IMPORTANT: 1 config files in /usr/kde/3.4/share/config need updating. |
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>> * Type emerge --help config to learn how to update config files. |
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> |
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> I asked you once before: "is Gentoo the right choice for you?" |
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> With all the posts you've made on this mailinglist since I asked this |
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> question, I can say without a doubt in my mind "no". |
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Let me say this. Some people take longer to learn something than others. |
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They may not learn, especially the first time, by simply reading. They |
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must DO it, often wrong, and then struggle with getting it right, before |
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they learn it, but once they do, they don't tend to make the same mistake |
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again. |
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The thing, tho, is that often such people have "the patience of the |
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saints", which is a good thing, because they often NEED it. |
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I'm personally glad this sort of trial hasn't been mine. However, I have |
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a LOT of respect for those that go thru it, and persevere. |
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I'd be very glad to have a Doctor such as Gavin. He'd be patient, both |
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with me, and with whatever I may be suffering. There may be some doctors |
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that would give up if whatever I had didn't prove to be a "textbook" |
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illness. Gavin has demonstrated that he'd not be one of them. If 100 or |
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500 medications didn't seem to help, he'd still be working with me trying |
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the 101st, the 501st, until together, we found something that DID work. |
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Yes, Gentoo is in many ways tougher than some other distributions. |
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However, Gavin has I believe correctly stated, in the past, that despite |
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that, Gentoo has been better for him, because it's the /people/ that make |
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the distribution, the users, the community. Coming from the supposedly |
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newbie friendly Mandrake, I can say without a doubt that the Gentoo user |
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community IS more helpful. Sometimes, that's what makes all the |
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difference. |
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Certainly, I couldn't blame Gavin for giving up after the trouble Gentoo |
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has been, for him. However, he's right, there AREN'T that many |
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communities that would continue to be there for him, as the Gentoo |
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community has been. If after all that, he's still here, we gotta be doing |
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/something/ right, and if he's willing to stick around, I for one am |
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willing to continue to help him, as I endeavor to help /everyone/, where I |
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can. |
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Recognizing there are areas where others would need similar patience with |
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me. and most likely with you as well, I can only hope that God or Fate or |
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whatever you choose to believe in, will see fit to give me and you, folks |
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with equal patience and perseverance, when we need it. |
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Many of you have seen me go off on someone or other, losing patience. |
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When I do, it's because they don't seem to me to be even TRYING to learn. |
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If there's one thing I can say about Gavin, aside from his remarkable |
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patience, it's that he has been consistently teachable, WANTING to learn. |
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While it might take a bit of patience on my part to help him, I'd |
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CERTAINLY rather spend it there, where I KNOW it will be of some help, |
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than on someone who doesn't even seem to be trying, and even MORE |
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certainly, I'm glad it's not ME having those problems, so I can |
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easily afford the patience to help him thru his. As I said, I haven't seen |
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the same problem come back, twice posted by Gavin, and more than I can |
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say of my own ability to learn, at times. That's a GOOD thing! |
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> But, like many before me, I'll try to send you in the right direction. |
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> Take a very good look at the following: |
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>> * IMPORTANT: 57 config files in /etc need updating. |
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>> * IMPORTANT: 1 config files in /usr/kde/3.4/share/config need updating. |
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>> * Type emerge --help config to learn how to update config files. |
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> You know what this represents? |
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> This represents your system "crying out" for maintenance! |
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> Now thoroughly read the following links |
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Now /that/ part I 100% agree with. Seeing that many needing updating at a |
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time would be a rather bad dream for me, and I do hope it continues to |
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/remain/ in the fantasy realm, as I prefer to update my configs when there |
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are just one or two to worry about, certainly not into the double-digits. |
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Now that Gavin has been made aware of the importance of updating his |
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configs, I'm sure he will, and we won't see him posting a similar message |
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next time. Meanwhile, he still has all those configs to work thru, and |
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yes, you are absolutely correct in that it should be the /first/ order of |
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business, as that alone could easily solve a number of issues, and prevent |
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more from developing. |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in |
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http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html |
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